[KingOfTheHeatians]

Originally Posted by Smithian

Sadly, I think we're about to go on a run and win 7 of 10 or something.

We're not winning tonight. We may beat the Bucks at home Wednesday. We're not beating Dallas in Dallas. At Memphis and Minny are certainly winnable, but even if we take both we'll probably lose the next night in Milwaukee and again on Friday in New Orleans.

Honestly, looking at the schedule I'd be shocked if we ended January with more than 13-14 wins. That would put us at 31-32 losses I think with 2 1/2 months to play.

[MB30]

Ill be shocked if we win more than 30 games this year. I really dont see it happenin. If we finish in the 25 win range, we will get a top 5 pick. Last time we did that, we slid back a spot to 5th (a blessing in disguise), but if we busted in to the Top 3...thatd be massive for us.

[HEATLUNATIC]

Originally Posted by BG44

Ill be shocked if we win more than 30 games this year. I really dont see it happenin. If we finish in the 25 win range, we will get a top 5 pick. Last time we did that, we slid back a spot to 5th (a blessing in disguise), but if we busted in to the Top 3...thatd be massive for us.

I dont see the talent gap between any of the following players.

Beasley
Rose
Gordon
Greene
Mayo

Ive seen a lot of the top 4 (not so much of Mayo) and they all look to have a Super-Star ceiling.

[NewAgeBaller]

Originally Posted by HEATLUNATIC

I dont see the talent gap between any of the following players.

Beasley
Rose
Gordon
Greene
Mayo

Ive seen a lot of the top 4 (not so much of Mayo) and they all look to have a Super-Star ceiling.

I hold Rose and Beasley over the rest (taking everything into consideration from talent to potential to versatility, etc.), but on the NBA level I think Beasley drops down to Gordon/Greene/Mayo. I still think Rose is just better than them, or has a higher ceiling.

But more importantly, I don't see Gordon or Mayo (havn't seen much of Greene) really fitting in with Wade and the Heat.
But I also don't want us to skip Mayo because of his "character issues".

[MB30]

By me saying that getting top 3 would be massive for us, i mean that it would give us a good choice to get our first option in the draft, rather then waiting to see what everyone else was doing.

To me - Beasley is the guy i want. That versatility and ability to face up,attack the hoop, finish inside, rebound like a demon...itd help us so much as they are all areas that we need help. Rose would give us one of the best backcourts in the L, but he would need the ball more, and we already have a ball dominating guard that we run practically everything through. Rose would take some pressure of Wade though, and that cant be underestimated.

Gordon and Mayo are even in my eyes. They arent really a drop below the above, but they dont fit us as well. Having said that, if either were available at 5, id take them. Both can shoot and are very athletic. We need shooters, badly.

Other then that - Donte Greene is a nice athlete and shotblocker, but not on the same level as the guys above. DeAndre Jordan could be a steal - but there is that risk thats involved.

[gian]

We should trade the pick if we get offered LaMarcus Aldridge or someone like him.

How bout Roy Hibbert?

And who else thinks Ty Lawson is way underrated?

[MB30]

I like Hibbert, but I wouldnt take him in the top 5...which is where we are currently lookin at. I like him in the 7-10 range though. Lawson is nice, but he can be had in the 13-17 range I think. Lotta good college points at the mo.

[NewAgeBaller]

I think Hibbert would come under 8-10 but by team's needs (Hibbert being a rare big center in the draft), he'll get picked as early as 5.

[The '93 Heat]

Rose looked very unimpressive against Arizona tonight and Bayless wasn't even playing. That shot of his is really shakey and he got stripped of the ball a half dozen times while dribbling. I'm not sold on him yet.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by BG44

Rose would give us one of the best backcourts in the L, but he would need the ball more, and we already have a ball dominating guard that we run practically everything through. Rose would take some pressure of Wade though, and that cant be underestimated.

Watching Rose tonight, I really disagree with this. We run most of our offense through Wade's hands right now out of necessity. Ideally Wade would be playing off the ball until the end of games, sort of like he did the championship season when JWill was participating. Rose has the same physical gifts (and then some) and mature poise that Wade does, but in a point guard mold. You can really tell he wants to set guys up above everything else. He's a better passer than Dwyane was at that age, and he appears to be more careful with the ball. I think what we've kind of needed is a guy to relieve backcourt pressure off of Wade in the distributing department more than scoring, and this kid has been compared to a young Jason Kidd with good reason. His jumper may not be extremely consistent yet, but he has good and improving form. Also I think his size, length, and ridiculous athleticism could help him be a good off the ball offensive player when Dwyane's taking over. I love the idea of Beasley with Wade, but Rose just seems like he would fit really well with Dwyane, and just imagine a guard rotation of Wade, Rose, and Cook. That could do damage down the line.

[Smithian]

I believe guard-big is better than guard-guard if you ant two really good players.

[NewAgeBaller]

bring ur rose-beasley specific debate to the other thread pls

[The '93 Heat]

Originally Posted by Jace

Watching Rose tonight, I really disagree with this. We run most of our offense through Wade's hands right now out of necessity. Ideally Wade would be playing off the ball until the end of games, sort of like he did the championship season when JWill was participating. Rose has the same physical gifts (and then some) and mature poise that Wade does, but in a point guard mold. You can really tell he wants to set guys up above everything else. He's a better passer than Dwyane was at that age, and he appears to be more careful with the ball. I think what we've kind of needed is a guy to relieve backcourt pressure off of Wade in the distributing department more than scoring, and this kid has been compared to a young Jason Kidd with good reason. His jumper may not be extremely consistent yet, but he has good and improving form. Also I think his size, length, and ridiculous athleticism could help him be a good off the ball offensive player when Dwyane's taking over. I love the idea of Beasley with Wade, but Rose just seems like he would fit really well with Dwyane, and just imagine a guard rotation of Wade, Rose, and Cook. That could do damage down the line.

He didn't look anything like Jason Kidd tonight. He looked like Troy Bell redux. He wasn't setting his teammates up. His team was pressing and getting points off turnovers and that's the only way Rose was scoring. Memphis was running the weave with CDR and Dozier slashing and doing all the creating.

His jumper wasn't the only problem it was him getting stripped of the ball that was most unsettling. I thought Bayless was a few years away but he might be further along than Rose. If Rose plays like this in March then I can guarantee that he won't go ahead of Bayless. Right now I would take Gordon over both though.