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Old 07-02-2009, 06:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If he buys into being the instant offense off the bench, i cant see how thats a bad thing...
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AI for 1 Year? I'd very much like to see that.
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I guess I am the only anti-AI on the Heat here... even for the MLE and 1 year and he plays off the bench.
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AI in Miami is kind of scary. He's know for his partying. Imagine him here.
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Yeah, he's known to love South Beach so that would be a scary combination.

But he does have a lot to prove so on a 1yr deal, he might actually give his all to try to get that last big contract before his career ends.

If we're willing to offer the full mid level to him, then i'm sure he isnt the only that we'd be willing to offer it too. Lets hope one of these guys take it, if that's the case.
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I would love it for 1 year, but 1 year only. Any more and i'd seriously get scared. With AI for a year we could maybe keep it competitive and not be totally irrelevant, keeps Wade happy until 2010.
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Damn shame we couldnt get Artest here - he'd be a great fit next to Wade and Beas. Can take the tougher defensive assignment from Beas, and be a 3rd option scoring wise.

Again, damn shame.
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Here's Ira's blog on this AI stuff

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To a degree, an Allen Iverson-Heat marriage makes sense. For years, Pat Riley has run a last-chance saloon.

But it's not going to happen the first week of free-agent negotiations. It's not going to happen at the July 8 start of the free-agent signing period. And it's not going to happen until after the July 12 window opens for Dwyane Wade to be eligible to sign an extension.

Allen Iverson Iverson makes sense because Iverson may not have many other options. But until the Knicks spend their mid-level exception, until Larry Brown gets an official rejection from Bobcats management, and until the remaining precious little cap space around the league is spent, Iverson doesn't have to move to Plan B.

With the Heat already into the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, anything paid to Iverson will be doubled on the books next season. So even with a $2 million contract, is he worth $4 million at this stage?

Then there is the matter of the Heat being guided by a coach entering his second year. Has Erik Spoelstra done anything to deserve this?

With the Heat, an Iverson contract would be for one year. Is that what Iverson wants or needs at this stage? And is that what you want to add alongside the impressionable youth of Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers and Daequan Cook?

Oh, Iverson could help. But as a reserve. Finding backcourt offense with Wade on the bench has been an ongoing concern. Yet this is the same Iverson who said coming off the bench was intolerable last season in Detroit. Considering how much Wade wants and needs the ball in his hands, an Iverson-Wade backcourt could involve plenty of drama.

So why are we talking about Iverson? Because, as a league source said, there aren't many options out there for Iverson.

Yes, he might come cheap. But perhaps that says plenty about where Iverson stands at this point in his career.
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Yeah, he's known to love South Beach so that would be a scary combination.

But he does have a lot to prove so on a 1yr deal, he might actually give his all to try to get that last big contract before his career ends.

If we're willing to offer the full mid level to him, then i'm sure he isnt the only that we'd be willing to offer it too. Lets hope one of these guys take it, if that's the case.
Hes 34 going on 35 in 2010!

A big contract (especially in this economy) isnt happening for Iverson.
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I'm a big Allen Iverson fan. I don't want him as a starter not because I don't think he'd do badly, but because I want Mario Chalmers starting long term for the experience since I think he is the perfect PG next to Wade.

Off the bench, I think Allen Iverson would be HUGE for this team, absolutely GREAT. As maligned as Allen Iverson is, he always plays as hard if nto harder than any player in the league and he plays, if not effectively, at both ends. The guy will be a happy camper if we're winning games. He would make our second unit absolutely deadly... Pair him either with P-Bev(defense) or DQ in the bckcourt with AI at either spot and that would be sick as a second unit, especially with defensive big men like Haslem and Joel Anthony down low. He also could play next to either Wade or Chalmers with no problems as both guys could guard bigger guards for him. Also, remember, this guy has played huge minutes his whole career, and could have a big time bounce back season if motivated and rested as a reserve who could play big moves. I also honestly think in a calm, even headed organization like our's with strong leadership from top to bottom, he'd be fine. I don't think he would cause Erik Spoelstra any problems since (a) I think Spo is a coach would tell him to "**** Off", (b) Riley casts a shadow of ego dominance over the whole organization, and (c) as much as some of you all would probably deny it, our current team likes and believes in Spoelstra. Also, I want to see how Allen Iverson would do taking passes from Wade. Eric Snow might have been a good PG next to Allen Iverson, but Wade will give him passes he's never seen before as well bring the type of teammate at both ends of the court he has yet to play with.

In my opinion, he'd be the impact player we'd need. He is coming off a year where we had little wear and tear on his body, he is motivated, and would be playing for a big contract. Off the bench, he'd be the biggest scoring punch in the Eastern Conference and, when in rhythm, him and Wade would be unstoppable in the backcourt together. Also, more importantly, I think it would help us win some mental battles. With the Celtics turning into outright taunting most of the time and the Cavs playing all their dumb guys which will just get worse with Shaq, we would have Allen Iverson who won't back down against anyone. His in your face play and intensity would be awesome to have here.

The only bad thing about this trade is it takes a ton of playing time from Daequan Cook. DQ would be forced basically to the SF a lot of the time next to Wade for his playing time, but that brings up a whole new list of problems with our logjam at the SF.

I am for this if he is willing to take MLE and be a reserve.
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The problem is if he's willing to come off the bench. He said last season that he'd rather retire than come off the bench didn't he?
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The problem is if he's willing to come off the bench. He said last season that he'd rather retire than come off the bench didn't he?
Yeah, but he was in a losing situation on a team he didn't choose. You look him in the eye and tell him, "Allen, we believe if you come here and if you are willing to come off the bench, then you can still play big minutes, you can lead our second unit, you can earn clutch minutes and spot starts with your play, and you can not only preserve your career, but you can give the Miami Heat a darkhore shot at a championship."

I think he would do it. I think he will end up in Charlotte when all is said and done, but I am happy to see this is a possibility.
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The sad thing is he's basically the perfect 6th man. He can create for himself and others and he can still put up points like it's nobody's business.
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That's that. I wasn't thrilled with him being here as a reserve. No way we sign him to start, take shots away from Beasley, take minutes away from Chalmers, Cook, and Beverley, only to maybe make it to the second-round and prove to Dwyane that we weren't throwing this season away. Im gald this is over.
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