'13 All things Heat thread

[Jace]

Damn. I think the league would've been more likely to pick him.

Speaking of RealGM, would someone from there, preferably a Mod, PM me? I have a strange little issue I need help resolving.

[Jace]

@tomhaberstroh Tom Haberstroh
Shane Battier got some career advice this offseason from Coach K: "Go to Miami."

I knew I liked that guy.

[Jace]

Forbes names Heat owner Micky Arison as one of 2011 Biggest Losers after he loses $1.3B in net worth

At the end of each year, Forbes Magazine publishes a list of the "Biggest Winners & Losers" based on total net worth. On the basketball front, Heat owner Micky Arison had a pretty amazing season. Sparked by the acquisitions of free agents' LeBron James & Chris Bosh, the Heat reached the 2011 NBA Finals and trended upward on all relevant business metrics. So where's the beef? The Arison family is the majority owner of Carnival Cruise Lines, whose share price decreased by 28 percent due to a lagging U.S. economy and high unemployment figure. According to the publication, Arison lost approximately $1.3 Billion in the 2011 calendar year due to the cruise business.

Uh oh.

[BlackNRed]

Originally Posted by Smithian

The Big Three are awesome, which makes it really sad how bad Chalmers is.

I hope Spo never gets fired here. I can just see him pulling a Norton from the end of Shawshank Redemption with the last thought in his head being "How did Mario Chalmers get the best of me...." before he ends it.

It's funny you say that considering Rio is worlds better player than Joel Anthony.

[Smithian]

One, currently at a bar at the Hilton Anatole in Dallas as my fellow Razorback Jerry Jones is getting smashed with the faithful no more than 15 feet from me. He loves him some college babes. Big game tomorrow at his house.

Two, THAT'S MY BOY MARIO!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!!

Three, BlackNRed... Your Joel hate is LOLtastic

Let's go Heat! More from my laptop later on... Saturday!

[BlackNRed]

I don't hate Joel, I just take him for what he is while you act like he's some superstar. I loved his hustle on D last year and was grateful as the next Heat fan, but the fact of the matter is he's just a poor ball player, with just average defensive capabilities. I want to see more Pittman and Curry.

[Dee-Zy]

Joel is better than Pittman as an overall player and he is not an average defender. He is actually a great one and no I am not saying that just because of his blocks.

His biggest disadvantage is his height. Even with his hands of stone, he would be such an asset if he was 6'10 with the same athleticism.

[MarioChalmers]

I was looking at all the threads I ever started on this website and all my old posts. I've been really stupid (rather, I was very stupid at 16). I've claimed that the only "sure thing" about Derrick Rose is he'll be as good as Antonio Daniels--that Ty Lawson would be better. I've said that Dwight Howard should have gone 3rd way back when, behind Okafor and Deng. But this, by luck, and perhaps by my blind devotion to the Miami heat, I got right. And I'm posting it since I thought I'd share a little nostalgia with you guys. Dated May 2004.

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-f...s-anthony.html

Dwyane Wade vs. Carmelo Anthony!

Who do you think will turn out better in the future? Honestly, I can't see Carmelo becoming a real superstar. I think he'll turn out to be a Jamal Mashburn or Glenn Robinson, but no superstar. On the other hand, I see Dwyane becoming a new breed of player, an all-star at that. Maybe I'm just biased, but hey what the heck..

So what do you guys think?

Isn't this when the turnaround that was happening in 2003 became apparent to the rest of the NBA? The start of the success we're enjoying now? I don't know. I just wanted to place it here. Good day to all of you.

[Jace]

A little bit after.

Joel being undersized height-wise is overstated. Bball players dont play with the top of their heads, and his wingspan and standing reach put him up there with most centers at the end of the day. His biggest problem, as his hands and touch are improving, is his rebounding. Its crazy how many times I see him in position for the board and give it up as he floats away from the ball in the air. Its really like to south ends of magnets pushing against eachother. He's allergic to boards, for the most part. He'll grab a decent amount of offensive boards, only because teams aren't in position to box him out after Heat misses because they ignore him on offense. That's making lemonade with lemons.

[Jace]

Steve Nash - He still looks great. If he were to come available around the trade deadline, preferably in buyout form, are we interested. To better frame the scenario, imagine Norris is still improving/looking good, and Chalmers is shooting the 3-ball well, still, and has cut down on boneheadedness; in other words, our PG rotation is as solid as its been since Dwyane got here. Obviously Nash would still be a considerable upgrade, albeit only offensively, and could mentor the younguns, but it would also inhibit their growth and confidence, would it not? Not to mention, as silly as this sounds, it might not be long before Chalmers is actually more effective than Nash, overall (when including defense), once Rio becomes a more sound player and Nash really declines.

Thoughts? (And yes, we'd all obviously rather have a center.)

[Wade2Bosh]

I dont see why they'd buy him out though. But I think you'd have to go and try to get him if he was available as a rental for the rest of the year. We'll have a much better read on our PG's in a couple of weeks though. That rookie wall can hit at any time and Mario can turn into that inconsistent headache at any moment.

But for now, our PG play has been solid. Certainly much better than any of us could have expected..




Mario is averaging 50/40/90 from the field, a Nash specialty. He is over 50% from the field, over 40% from 3, and over 90% from the free throw line.

[Dee-Zy]

I am pretty pleased with Rio statistically but it is the bone headed moves aka facepalm moves that don't show up in the boxscore that worries me.

He just doesn't seem to have the right mental toughness. I hope that is not something that will follow him his whole career (read Josh Smith).

[Jace]

I feel like he's very mentally tough, just doesn't often know his limitations, and has a lot of brainfarts still. He knows this is his make-or-break year, so let's give him a nice chunk of games to see how he responds.

Regarding Nash being bought out, it does seem silly. I forgot who it was on TV, though, that mentioned the possibility. Is he even in the final year of his deal?

[Wade2Bosh]

Yeah, he is.

[Smithian]

Originally Posted by BlackNRed

I don't hate Joel, I just take him for what he is while you act like he's some superstar.

You need to realize 90% of my Joel Anthony worship is pure shtick.

I do believe he is the best starting center option we have on roster. I believe he has been our best option since the beginning of 2008 other than flashes of good play from JO. The guy looks awful out there at times, no lie. His rebounding is strange, offensively even though he's come a long way he can hurt the team, and he can be overwhelmed defensively when big guys go right at him.

He has positives. He has tons of energy. He is great on pick and roll defense. According to coaches, he's the best screener we have. Everyone from Heat coaches to other experts who study advanced NBA statistics would support my claims he is the Greek God of Team Defense. He's pure intangibles. We're quite simply a better team when he was on the court. We play better with him out there. Everyone last year had freak outs about Big Cat's physicality, Dampier's average-ness, and Z's offensive ability but when it comes down to it every time we stayed with Joel we were simply better.

We have a bunch of craptastic options at center looking back through 2008. Simple fact is everyone in the NBA wants a 7 footer who will park underneath the basket at both ends and anchor your team. Until we somehow find one of those guys, Joel is the best option we have.

I do think at some point Curry will get healthy. He will start. He will score. He will put up some decent rebound numbers. People on here will go crazy. Everyone on ESPN will freak out. Yet somehow we will slump, won't play as well overall, and defensively we won't click. Eventually Spoelstra will park his fat azz back at the end of the bench and our play will pick up as Heat fans go crazy saying, "It's time! We're playing well again, imagine us with Curry down low! Screw Joel!"

Purity. Energy. Defense.