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'16 All things Heat thread

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#1 ·
Off season is over. So its time to start this thread, just like we did last season. This thread is for smaller Heat and even non-Heat info that doesnt really need to be in a new thread.
 
#884 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

Thought this was a good question and answer by Ira.

Q: Do you think the Heat will ever embrace the fact that they play their best when Chris Bosh is a focal point of the offense? That doesn't mean he's going to be the leading scorer, but the Heat are so much better on offense when Bosh is getting multiple touches and shot attempts. -- Filipe.

A: Agreed, which is why the Heat often look to feed Bosh in the post early. That said, there also are times when Bosh has to be a more active participant in his offense, with harder cuts and stronger post-ups for entry passes, as well as attacking the offensive glass. Sometimes the Heat get passive going to Bosh because Bosh gets passive. Friday was one of his better nights.
 
#888 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

2009? The year the team was focused and content playing defense, playing a clear offense, and the organization believed in defense? When a bunch of scrubs like Yakhouba Diawara, Chris Quinn, and Jamaal Magloire combined with lackluster starters such as Michael Beasley, Jamario Moon, Jermaine O'Neal, and Shawn Marion to have a massive increase in wins?

Amazing. You mean a player could thrive in that "boring" style? Nah, you must be mistaken. Stars only succeed when they're having fun.

This team is flawed and ain't winning crap in the playoffs unless they grow a pair and stop pussy footing around with small ball. Makes me sick to watch. A bunch of guys who want it to work out but don't play hard enough or defensively enough to make it work.

Did you all know that we start a center we refuse to play down a stretch? Start a PG who once was replaced by Rafer Alston and eventually got shoved to the bench in favor of Carlos Arroyo?

This season is sickening. Have a rough season last year at the end and instead of buckling downand continuing to play hard defensively and organized offensively we hit the PANIC BUTTON and immediately go small ball and offense first. Yup, we din't win the championships, we only went to the Finals. Definitely worth a complete over haul. Makes sense.

:rant:
 
#889 ·
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The funny thing about that year is people forget we played much better pre-AS break with Marion, UD, and Joel starting in the front court, and of course Rio having his best season until now. It was .500 ball after the AS break.

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but in fairness, many stat-heads have pointed out that the Heat's best lineups last year were small ball ones. It hasn't worked nearly as well this year, though, yet Spoelstra keeps sticking with it.
 
#890 ·
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Yeah, basically any lineup with 'Bron at PF crushed last season...especially offensively.

In a perfect world, Miami would have a legit center and whenever Bosh is having one his 3-12 3reb performances you could slid Bron to PF and run teams teams out of the building without losing anything defensively or on the boards. Last years team was much better on the boards.

I dont have the splits but it "feels" like his secondary role this year is more PG than PF
 
#894 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

My top off-season moves right now:

#1: Omer Asik. Give him whatever we can. I don't think Chicago can afford to keep him. Reinsdorf is a cheapskate. He would be our starting center. I don't know what is up with his past injuries but if he checks out then he's a steal.

#2: Use all our assets (cash, 1st round draft pick, Cole, James Jones, and UD) and either trade directly with Minnesota or find a third team with something they want and get Darko.

I'm not sure how the new CBA works and how much exception money we have this summer. If we have a full midlevel (even though we just had one last summer) then I want Asik.
 
#899 · (Edited)
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I would just trade Chris Bosh for a big that i know would produce...none of these Asik or Darko guys who can easily be a bust. Trade bosh for Al Jefferson or Millsap.
Asik isn't a bust. He's a key piece on one of the best teams in the league and he's a good player. Darko isn't going to score or create anything offensively but he's a legit 7 footer who averaged 2 blocks a game when he played in Orlando and again last season in Minnesota. He's also very fluid and can finish strong and is the type of big man who flourishes in our system.

Trading Bosh is a radical move and you're not going to get equal value. Nobody even knows how good Al Jefferson is and it's a moot point because Utah isn't trading either of those guys for Bosh. Jefferson is a career loser who plays zero defense and has never played a meaningful game in his career. I'm not ready to write any of that off because he's winning games in a lockout shortened, compacted schedule season.

Edit: I didn't even realize Darko averaged 9 points a game last year in 25 mins with Luke Ridnour running the show. With LeBron and Wade he can easily get us 10 a game. I want that trade to happen even more now.
 
#901 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

Couple of notes: 1) Pretty sure we have no MLE money. Not sure what we'll have, but it'll likely be quite low. 2) Just in case anyone isn't aware, we can't trade the draft pick until after its selected, not sure how long after. Though I'm sure Pat isn't opposed to working under the table.
 
#906 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

Am I the only one who starting to loathe this Defense? What started out as a swarming chaotic style whose purpose was to force mistakes and hurried possessions has now been scouted, and routinely picked apart.

They get so overextended now just aimlessly chasing the ball.
 
#910 · (Edited)
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Christ. I just hate looking at Bosh's face and the sound of his voice right now.

Am I the only one who starting to loathe this Defense? What started out as a swarming chaotic style whose purpose was to force mistakes and hurried possessions has now been scouted, and routinely picked apart.

They get so overextended now just aimlessly chasing the ball.
I think (hope) they just have gotten really complacent in executing it. It takes a lot of focus and effort, and not being sharp leads to overextension, as you said. I kind of hate it too, even with Pat it led to way too many wide-open 3s for my liking; 3s so open no one even tries to get over to the shooter while he waits to wind up because no one is even near enough to claim him as their man and likely doesn't want to be seen as having missed their assignment (Heatbeaters mentioned a lot of intersquad bickering in Boston). Sure good scouting can hurt it big time, but I believe with the personnel and some of the benefits of the schemes it can stop any offense when executed right. We haven't seen it executed correctly for even half a game this season. Its gotten worlds worse recently, with them allowing a lay up line for opposing bigs vs. Indy, OKC, and Boston. I hope its not an either or matter (open threes or open layups), but I'm still confident if they communicate well and hustle intelligently (no overextension, Bosh not overhedging on PnRs, limiting unnecessary traps/doubles) it can shut teams down. We'll see.

But yeah, I loathe the shit out of this defense most of the time. I'd almost rather we abandon it midseason and adopt something simpler. The two teams prior to the Big 3 needed a gamble defense to put themselves in position to compete with the best, I think its possible with the singular defensive ability we have to defend teams well without tricky schemes. I hate how much we "blue" ballhandlers to the baseline. I understand a lot of teams do it, but its more situational usually. So often I see a driver gladly take the lane the defender is forcing him into, only for the second line to have to rotate to stop him going baseline or turning the corner from the elbow, creating a wide open look under the basket for a big. Its sad and discouraging Spo doesn't adjust. I don't watch the Bulls closely enough to be familiar with their principals, but I'd have to think whatever system Thibodeau is using over there would be more reliable. It could be nearly identical, as he did fall off the Riley tree.

Bulls lose two games in a row :eek:

OKC loses to Memphis.

Heat can gain a game back on them tomorrow night.
Imagine if we beat OKC and Boston. Or even just Boston. Such dogshit.
 
#911 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

Thibs was really upset after the game. Thibs said "we can't let go of the rope". After the game a reporter told Boozer that Thibs said that the team let go of the rope. Reporter asked Boozer if he thinks the Bulls let go of the rope. Kendall Gil was asked if he thinks the Bulls let go of the rope. Sports Radio in Chicago is talking about the Bulls letting go of the rope. I heard this somewear before? :lol:
 
#913 ·
Re: '12 All things Heat thread

Thibs was really upset after the game. Thibs said "we can't let go of the rope". After the game a reporter told Boozer that Thibs said that the team let go of the rope. Reporter asked Boozer if he thinks the Bulls let go of the rope. Kendall Gil was asked if he thinks the Bulls let go of the rope. Sports Radio in Chicago is talking about the Bulls letting go of the rope. I heard this somewear before? :lol:
A porno?
 
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