Heat 2012 Off-Season Thread

[Floods]

Wade's 30, aging fast, and locked up for forseeable future. I don't know why another team would deal for him and give up anything close to good value.

So yeah, Orlando does sound like a logical landing spot.

[BlackNRed]

Fire Spotard. Trade Wade, preferably for a big that can score and board. Revamp this shitty supporting cast. Get it done.

If we can't get a legit big for Wade, then trade him for a handful of solid role players.

[Smithian]

If we were to trade Wade, I hope it is somewhere like Toronto, Sacramento, or Minnesota. Send him somewhere far, far away for a couple solid pieces.

I'd like an ending that kept the big 3 in place, but if we somehow fail at rallying this series? The Big 3 may already be done.

[BlackNRed]

Originally Posted by Smithian

If we were to trade Wade, I hope it is somewhere like Toronto, Sacramento, or Minnesota. Send him somewhere far, far away for a couple solid pieces.

I'd like an ending that kept the big 3 in place, but if we somehow fail at rallying this series? The Big 3 may already be done.

We could still have a big 3. Just a more traditional one. As it is we have two of the same player (James/Wade.) We need a legit PG that can score or a big to fill out this unit.

Wade and James are fun to watch together, but they are just too much alike which makes them much to easy to defend. Especially with no, legit post game, you can just pack the paint on Wade/James and make them shoot jumpers.

[RollWithEm]

Two Options: http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-p...ades-head.html

[AirJay]

As much as I hate watching this Heat team (compared to even worse versions, like 2007 and 2009, and as much as Wade as acted like a diva, is there no loyalty in sports?

The guy is a Heat lifer. He won us a championship. He stuck with the Heat through 3 terrible teams (2008-2010) without asking for a trade and playing his heart out (remember the back-to-back triple OT games against the Bulls and the Jazz? The Game 4 against Boston?). He recruited LBJ and Bosh here.

Now we want to kick him out because guess what, it's not working out and he's getting older?

I mean I want to win a championship as much as anybody, and I know Wade is the most logical piece to go, but it saddens me that winning really is everything to some fans. This would be like calling for Riley to trade Zo when he was diagnosed with his kidney ailment. It's sort of disgusting.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Adam

He's no Jarvis Varnado, I'll give you that.



Yes, I would because he's better.

No one in the world who watches basketball thinks DeAndre Jordan is better than Roy Hibbert.

Your basketball opinion is hilarious.

[Jamel Irief]

Originally Posted by R-Star

No one in the world who watches basketball thinks DeAndre Jordan is better than Roy Hibbert.

Your basketball opinion is hilarious.

A starting frontline of nic batum, tiago splitter and deandre is elite to him.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

A starting frontline of nic batum, tiago splitter and deandre is elite to him.

Well who can really argue with that? That's championships right there.

[Jace]

Replace Splitter with Luis Scola and we're talking.

Originally Posted by AirJay

As much as I hate watching this Heat team (compared to even worse versions, like 2007 and 2009, and as much as Wade as acted like a diva, is there no loyalty in sports?

The guy is a Heat lifer. He won us a championship. He stuck with the Heat through 3 terrible teams (2008-2010) without asking for a trade and playing his heart out (remember the back-to-back triple OT games against the Bulls and the Jazz? The Game 4 against Boston?)

I'm not sold on kicking him to the curb over one main incident. I've still been thrilled with having him here over the past couple years, even through increased arrogance and stretches of diminished play. I have to say though, I don't think he completely played his heart out in '10. He sure as hell did in '09, which is when those two games you cited occurred. I think he viewed '10 as a transition year between re-proving himself in '09, and the next year, when he knew he'd be playing on a supremely upgraded team. His stats were still great, a testament to his greatness, but it definitely appeared he was pacing himself more and playing not to get injured. What frustrated me was his jumpshot regressed and he appeared overly pleased with himself in a very unappealing way. He developed a lot of bad habits that season that carried over, and I think his competitiveness has been blunted a little bit. He'll still have his spectacular plays, but he doesn't approach the game the same way in my opinion.

I still believe if he commits to his body the way, say, a 30+ MJ committed to his he could do a lot for his leg health and overall ability to get separation consistently again. That and his jumper. I like that he's added the floater to his game, but he takes a lot of bad ones when he's having trouble getting all the way to the rim. I'd also like to see even more post work from him...but I don't want to get into a full Wade critique right now. All I'm saying is while I was tempted to knee-jerk out of pure anger last night, I still wouldn't want to trade him already. He gets his shit together physically and mentally and he can still be a top-5 player for 3-4 years.

[Knick Killer]

Wow this is embarrassing. You guys are down 2-1...chill

[Jace]

If you watched the game you should have an idea why Heat fans are uneasy right now.

[AirJay]

Originally Posted by Knick_Killer31

Wow this is embarrassing. You guys are down 2-1...chill

We have watched this team all year. I am fairly sure that barring Lebron turning in an unexpected 40-50 point game in game 4 that they will lose the series. They have no viable options for adjustment.

Originally Posted by Jace

Replace Splitter with Luis Scola and we're talking.



I'm not sold on kicking him to the curb over one main incident. I've still been thrilled with having him here over the past couple years, even through increased arrogance and stretches of diminished play. I have to say though, I don't think he completely played his heart out in '10. He sure as hell did in '09, which is when those two games you cited occurred. I think he viewed '10 as a transition year between re-proving himself in '09, and the next year, when he knew he'd be playing on a supremely upgraded team. His stats were still great, a testament to his greatness, but it definitely appeared he was pacing himself more and playing not to get injured. What frustrated me was his jumpshot regressed and he appeared overly pleased with himself in a very unappealing way. He developed a lot of bad habits that season that carried over, and I think his competitiveness has been blunted a little bit. He'll still have his spectacular plays, but he doesn't approach the game the same way in my opinion.

I still believe if he commits to his body the way, say, a 30+ MJ committed to his he could do a lot for his leg health and overall ability to get separation consistently again. That and his jumper. I like that he's added the floater to his game, but he takes a lot of bad ones when he's having trouble getting all the way to the rim. I'd also like to see even more post work from him...but I don't want to get into a full Wade critique right now. All I'm saying is while I was tempted to knee-jerk out of pure anger last night, I still wouldn't want to trade him already. He gets his shit together physically and mentally and he can still be a top-5 player for 3-4 years.

I agree with all of this but in the end we are picking nits. Could he improve certain things? Sure he could. But he didn't. That's why he is on that 2nd-3rd tier of great players all-time.

He paced himself in 2010 because he knew it didn't matter. We all did. But if you think he wasn't competitive then you didn't watch the games that year.

[Jamel Irief]

Originally Posted by R-Star

Well who can really argue with that? That's championships right there.

I honestly think he picks random players to hype up just to be different, so if they pan out he tells everyone he told us so.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

I honestly think he picks random players to hype up just to be different, so if they pan out he tells everyone he told us so.

Except I never hyped any of those players. I gave my opinion of their skills and I was right in each case it turns out.