Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Wade2Bosh** · 11-14-2012, 10:56 PM

Thursday, November 15, 2012 | 10:30 pm | TV: TNT/Sun Sports

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Probable Starting Lineups

**Wade County** · 11-14-2012, 11:10 PM

Ugh, the Nuggets. Worst thing we could have right now. We always lose this game-so I'm chalking an L up for this one. Hopefully some home cooking will get our season back on track. I feel Joel should be in the rotation. Miller probably too but not sure where. Would be nice to have Wade step up in this one after his recent bed shitting....we shall see

**Wade2Bosh** · 11-14-2012, 11:11 PM

A win here, as hard as it might seem to get, would likely salvage this road trip.

doctordrizzay · 11-14-2012, 11:21 PM

Since everyone is penciling it in as a loss...i bet we win. One of those surprising nights...Like Ray Allen will score 28 or something.

**Wade2Bosh** · 11-14-2012, 11:55 PM

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Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN
Dwyane Wade aggravated his left foot injury Wednesday night. He's not sure of his status for Thursday game in Denver.

Of course he did.

No way he plays in this one.

**Jace** · 11-15-2012, 01:07 AM

Nope, and maybe for the better. He needs a moment to re-evaluate his game. Maybe he should just concentrate on trying to get in the paint and facilitating or something.

Can't let go of the rope. Completely ridiculous they have us playing our fourth game in five nights here, though.

**Wade2Bosh** · 11-15-2012, 01:47 AM

By the time the Suns game rolls up it'll be our 6th game in 9 nights.

That would be considered crazy with last years condensed schedule.

**Jace** · 11-15-2012, 03:43 AM

Yeah, then the home stretch after that will be equally depressing on the other end of the spectrum: 3 games in 13 days. No idea what the schedule makers did there. Why not spread our trip out a little bit? It's ridiculous.

**Wade County** · 11-15-2012, 03:54 AM

6 in9 then 3 in 13?

Thats bullcrap!

Smithian · 11-15-2012, 06:51 AM

From last night;

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Originally Posted by Wade2Bosh

Amazing how just having that presence inside changes things. Joel challenged 2 shots inside and both missed.

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Originally Posted by Wade2Bosh

Joel needs to get back in the rotation.

I still stand by the Heat will eventually realize this small ball stuff won't work. We don't defend this year.

It worked last year because the Celtics were fatigued and the Thunder didn't have a 4 who would attacked our small man.

Small ball and "positions" have existed for a long time for a reason. Spoelstra is trying to reinvent the wheel and he's getting shown his place by the basketball gods.

Dee-Zy · 11-15-2012, 08:02 AM

Hold your horses, it's not like Joel is really "big ball".

His Defensive presence is definitely welcomed but I don't see him as an example of "big ball".

With that said, I do think that having him in the rotation is a good thing, even if he doesn't start.

**Wade2Bosh** · 11-15-2012, 10:25 AM

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Tony Fiorentino ‏@TonyHEAT2xWC
Denver Nuggets are 27-2 at home since '06-07 when an opponent plays in the Pacific time zone the nite before. We got to our hotel rm this...

Morning after 4am. The Nuggets haven't played since Monday. It is almost physically impossible to be able to play to the peak of your.....

Your ability given the situation. When are the schedule makers going to be more considerate of this when making up an NBA schedule. Why ....

...Would you want a home team to have a 93% home record in this situation when it is correctable. Makes no sense!!

...

Adam · 11-15-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

Hold your horses, it's not like Joel is really "big ball".

His Defensive presence is definitely welcomed but I don't see him as an example of "big ball".

With that said, I do think that having him in the rotation is a good thing, even if he doesn't start.

We agree DZ.

With Joel in the rotation we had one of the fastest and most versatile defenses in the NBA in years. Steve Kerr (who is usually our biggest critic) was saying we played faster and better than the old Bulls teams with Scottie and Michael.

Joel is the scapegoat for a lot of the deficiencies in Wade and LeBron. Their weak outside shooting forces us to go smaller and spread the floor to compensate. Otherwise teams will just Dallas us and pack the paint and dare them to shoot.

Dee-Zy · 11-15-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

We agree DZ.

With Joel in the rotation we had one of the fastest and most versatile defenses in the NBA in years. Steve Kerr (who is usually our biggest critic) was saying we played faster and better than the old Bulls teams with Scottie and Michael.

Joel is the scapegoat for a lot of the deficiencies in Wade and LeBron. Their weak outside shooting forces us to go smaller and spread the floor to compensate. Otherwise teams will just Dallas us and pack the paint and dare them to shoot.

Very good point. If one of Wade or Bron were a shooter like Kobe or Durant, Joel would most likely start. Same thing is Bosh was a beast in the low post offensively with a power back to the basket game.

**Jace** · 11-15-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithian

From last night;

I still stand by the Heat will eventually realize this small ball stuff won't work. We don't defend this year.

It worked last year because the Celtics were fatigued and the Thunder didn't have a 4 who would attacked our small man.

Small ball and "positions" have existed for a long time for a reason. Spoelstra is trying to reinvent the wheel and he's getting shown his place by the basketball gods.

LOL, Smitty. You've bought into the national narrative. Peep this:

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2. Don't blame the starting lineup.
Shane Battier is a commonly used scapegoat. He's the undersized 33-year-old who is now starting against power forwards like Zach Randolph, Blake Griffin and Josh Smith. Obviously that's a losing battle, right?

Wrong. The dirty little secret is that the Heat's starting lineup has been terrific defensively. According to NBA.com/stats, the starting lineup of Wade, James, Battier, Mario Chalmers and Chris Bosh has held opponents to 94.0 points per 100 possessions in 104 minutes of playing time. For reference, the Knicks lead the NBA in defensive efficiency at 93.6 points per 100 possessions. Moreover, as Couper Moorhead of HEAT.com pointed out recently, Battier has been scored on once in the 11 post-ups that he has defended.

The starting lineup has not been the problem. If we're going to diagnose the ills of the Heat's defense so far, you have to look at the bench. More specifically, you have to look at a certain Heat newcomer.

The player he goes on to blame is Ray. It's not about "small-ball." Shane and Chris are holding their own. Our guards are just playing like sieves right now. Cole is the only one that can defend anyone, but everything else he does is diarrhea.

I might be down for a Joel for UD swap, but then we lose one of our best rebounders on a team that's pretty anemic on the boards. Also, Adam's point is valid, and speaks to a bigger issue with the roster: Wade needs a jump shot more than ever.

11-14-2012, 10:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
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11-14-2012, 11:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wade County 2012 NBA Champions! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 25 Posts: 23,492 Rep Power: 2796527	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) Ugh, the Nuggets. Worst thing we could have right now. We always lose this game-so I'm chalking an L up for this one. Hopefully some home cooking will get our season back on track. I feel Joel should be in the rotation. Miller probably too but not sure where. Would be nice to have Wade step up in this one after his recent bed shitting....we shall see __________________ Formerly BG44 & MB30

11-14-2012, 11:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wade2Bosh Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MIAMI Posts: 38,022 Rep Power: 5463745	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) A win here, as hard as it might seem to get, would likely salvage this road trip. __________________

11-14-2012, 11:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
doctordrizzay Veteran Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,332 Rep Power: 0	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) Since everyone is penciling it in as a loss...i bet we win. One of those surprising nights...Like Ray Allen will score 28 or something. __________________ Miami Heat won't go 16-0 in post season.

11-15-2012, 01:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 15,964 Rep Power: 2677067	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) Nope, and maybe for the better. He needs a moment to re-evaluate his game. Maybe he should just concentrate on trying to get in the paint and facilitating or something. Can't let go of the rope. Completely ridiculous they have us playing our fourth game in five nights here, though. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-15-2012, 01:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Wade2Bosh Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MIAMI Posts: 38,022 Rep Power: 5463745	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) By the time the Suns game rolls up it'll be our 6th game in 9 nights. That would be considered crazy with last years condensed schedule. __________________

11-15-2012, 03:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 15,964 Rep Power: 2677067	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) Yeah, then the home stretch after that will be equally depressing on the other end of the spectrum: 3 games in 13 days. No idea what the schedule makers did there. Why not spread our trip out a little bit? It's ridiculous. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-15-2012, 03:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Wade County 2012 NBA Champions! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 25 Posts: 23,492 Rep Power: 2796527	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) 6 in9 then 3 in 13? Thats bullcrap! __________________ Formerly BG44 & MB30

11-15-2012, 08:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
Dee-Zy Legend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: mtl Posts: 11,094 Rep Power: 5792515	Re: Game 10: Heat @ Nuggets (11/15 10:30PM) Hold your horses, it's not like Joel is really "big ball". His Defensive presence is definitely welcomed but I don't see him as an example of "big ball". With that said, I do think that having him in the rotation is a good thing, even if he doesn't start. __________________ Social Media Marketing - NBA Players on Twitter Champions.

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