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Old 11-19-2012, 02:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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All those guys also averaged more minutes than Ray is getting off the bench right now. Put current Ray on those Cavs' teams with 30+ minutes and he puts up better numbers.
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All those guys also averaged more minutes than Ray is getting off the bench right now. Put current Ray on those Cavs' teams with 30+ minutes and he puts up better numbers.
Playing 34 minutes per game last year he scored 14ppg.


So no, I don't agree.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:47 PM   #18 (permalink)
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As a 4th option behind Pierce, Garnett, Rondo.

As the 2nd option to LeBron, his numbers go up to more than 14 ppg.
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As a 4th option behind Pierce, Garnett, Rondo.

As the 2nd option to LeBron, his numbers go up to more than 14 ppg.
"Well it was because of this... because of that!".


We're going to have to agree to disagree here.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:51 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Worried About Wade?

Ray's ankle was in shambles most of last season, and while his D has indeed been shitty, he's been doing a great job facilitating on top of spreading the floor.

I'm less worried about Wade's body than I am his mental approach. It's too early to jump on him for missing games for being sick and bruising his foot by stepping on Bosh's. Not to mention, all training camp we were told he wouldn't be fully in the swing of things following his knee surgery until much later in the season. I expected some shitty games early on, but what frustrates me is he refuses to accept it's not his night and hijacks the offense at times.
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Re: Worried About Wade?

Sure he's fallen off but the only series that the Heat really need him in 100% anyways is the finals. I agree with Bogg, they could make it there without him.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Sure he's fallen off but the only series that the Heat really need him in 100% anyways is the finals. I agree with Bogg, they could make it there without him.
Tell that to a healthy Indiana, Chicago, Boston and New York.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Worried About Wade?

I don't know, we haven't seen a Wade-less team play against those teams. I don't think any of us know what we're talking about in that regard.

On one-off games, when LeBron can leave it all on the court, there's a strong case to be made that there's little to no drop-off without Dwyane. Surrounding LeBron with four shooters is lethal, and we know he, along with the help of Bosh, can do just about everything out there. Don't take this as me saying Wade holds him back, but it's not like you're missing a specific skill-set or consistent lockdown defender without him.

Carrying the team without Wade for a full season is a different story, but I wouldn't be shocked if we made it through 2-3 rounds without him. We did it for a round and a half without a more important player, the whole series being against a team whose strength amplifies the team's weakness sans Bosh.
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I don't know, we haven't seen a Wade-less team play against those teams. I don't think any of us know what we're talking about in that regard.

On one-off games, when LeBron can leave it all on the court, there's a strong case to be made that there's little to no drop-off without Dwyane. Surrounding LeBron with four shooters is lethal, and we know he, along with the help of Bosh, can do just about everything out there. Don't take this as me saying Wade holds him back, but it's not like you're missing a specific skill-set or consistent lockdown defender without him.

Carrying the team without Wade for a full season is a different story, but I wouldn't be shocked if we made it through 2-3 rounds without him. We did it for a round and a half without a more important player, the whole series being against a team whose strength amplifies the team's weakness sans Bosh.
I'm not saying they'd win or lose against any of the teams mentioned. Just saying its far from a sure thing that Miami would make the Finals without Wade is all.


People try to paint the East as some sort of cake walk, when its anything but.
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Tell that to a healthy Indiana, Chicago, Boston and New York.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
If Chicago is fully healthy than I agree. Indiana and Boston both look like they've taken a step back this year but if either of them right the ship they would put up a good series, but I don't know if it'd be enough. New York is a huge question mark as always with their chemistry and Amar'e messing things up.

I'll change my statement, I still think the Heat would be the favorites, but it's not guaranteed without Wade.
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But the east outside of the Heat is a cakewalk relative to the west. That I stand by.
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Re: Worried About Wade?

As long as the Heat get to the playoffs, I'm not worried for the team. Am I worried for Wade, though? Of course. But if he can adapt his game and rely more on his old man strength, then I see five or six more years for him.
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As long as the Heat get to the playoffs, I'm not worried for the team. Am I worried for Wade, though? Of course. But if he can adapt his game and rely more on his old man strength, then I see five or six more years for him.
Thing is Wade's not even old. He's only 30...Prime is 28-32. Jordan won 4 rings in his 30's. His last one he was 34. Wade's just mentally trying to deal with Lebron being the best. You can tell he wasn't expecting Lebron to be as good as he is. And of course he is always injured.
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Re: Worried About Wade?

Wade still hasn't rounded his game out. It doesn't bode well for him or whoever is paying him all that money. You get hurt a lot when your game is entirely predicated upon either attacking the paint or falling down when someone else gets near you.
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