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Originally Posted by MilBucksFan2TheCore

That is a weak and wack almost racist comment from a typical Bucks fans. You dont know that!You dont know if Williams will stay or not?

You cant say Bogut will! That is a loser mentality that stars wont stay here!

When in reality they will the Bucks just trade them and keep scrubs like Randy Breuer!!!

Ray wanted to stay. Glenn wanted to stay. Vin Baker wanted to stay and the Bucks moved all of them and all of them were shocked and hurt by it!!

That is BS post with a lot of speculations and assumptions that are really unfounded! Marvin may indeed like it here...he is not high and mighty and is from Washington State.

I just think some fans dont want him to and are looking for any excuse to justify not taking him. You cant think like that if you are Larry Harris. That is defeatism and fear. And he might love it here.

You just have to wait to see how things shake out on the 19th when he comes into town and answers that himself...

I don't see how race has anything to do with it. A player who can contribute immediately is more likely to stick around because he will be getting touches and recognition.

Also, the Bucks have been bad about keeping stars, which is why I think they need solid players more than superstars. The pistons do it with a bunch of above average players, the bucks have michael redd, mason, and bogut, they have 3 good players who can score. With redd, mason, and williams they have 2 good players and a project. And, with the bucks reputation of dealing superstars once they want to stay, why should marvin want to stay at all? Bogut has already said he would love to play for milwaukee, there's no risk involved in whether he will want to stay.

RECENT history, since jordan, shows that north carolina players go where the winning is.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

Marvin Williams 22.2 mpg
Andrew Bogut 35.0 mpg

Williams 17.8 on 51% fg
10.4 rpg
1.1 apg
.8 bpg
.8 3pg on 43%

That is what I call some serious production per minute, especially for a Freshman. That is of course the mathematical expression of his mpg extrapolated. In reality, he probably would have improved on those numbers. 22 minutes is not a lot of time to really get in the flow.... A player that has virtually no limitations on the college level, like Williams, would have improved play with more time. After all, he was described by even Sean May(only 27 mpg!) as the best player on the team; a team that had 3 starters as 1st round talented players (including the aforementioned May who was a beast), as well as 2 of the other starters considered 2nd round possiblities. Marvin was the 6th man, but his minutes weren't far from the starters of this uber talented championship team.

Had Marvin Williams minutes been over 30, he would have rivaled Carmelo Anthony's(SF) stats and bested Chis Bosh's(F)

Since I brought up 2 among the perceived most talented young forwards, I'll provide their numbers at the combine vs. Williams, as a showing that he is as good of a prospect as they were....

Vertical Jump: Williams 35", Anthony 33.5", Bosh 33"
Lane Agility: Williams 11.11, Anthony 11.4, Bosh 11.8
3/4 court sprint: Anthony 3.15, Williams 3.17, Bosh 3.3
Bench: Williams 12, Bosh 9, Anthony 7
NOTE: Williams tested faster and more agile than TJ Ford(11.45, 3.2)


It appears he is quite a bit more athletic than those 2 coming out. He already has NBA size and strength at 228, 12 repetions was 1 shy of Bogut and Darko's mark of 13, whom were never questioned about stength at the 5. So, why can't Williams come in and play the 4 right away. His ability to play both forward spots is a great asset.


Marvin would also surely have improved as a Sophomore. The large majority of real good Freshman players improve as Sophomores for obvious reasons(mature-physically, mentally, etc.) Bogut isn't the first good player to improve from Frosh to Soph. Put Marvin Williams in the Mountain West as a Sophomore and how does he do? Do Bogut's numbers go down if he was in the ACC? There is a MAJOR gap here.....

ACC STANDINGS
. CONF. OVERALL
TEAM W L W L
North Carolina 14 2 33 4
Wake Forest 13 3 27 6
Duke 11 5 27 6
Georgia Tech 8 8 20 12
Virginia Tech 8 8 16 14
N.C. State 7 9 21 14
Maryland 7 9 19 13
Miami 7 9 16 13
Clemson 5 11 16 16
Virginia 4 12 14 15
Florida State 4 12 12 19


MWC STANDINGS
. CONF. OVERALL
TEAM W L W L
Utah 13 1 29 6
New Mexico 10 4 26 7
Air Force 9 5 18 12
UNLV 7 7 17 14
Wyoming 7 7 15 13
San Diego State 4 10 11 18
Colorado State 3 11 11 17
BYU 3 11 9 21

I think you can see that he has the production ability and athleticism to come in and have a HIGH impact right away. This has been confirmed by GM's and scouts. His size and athleticism are through the roof, a big guy that has a shooting stroke described as flawless with 3 range. All the while having no preference over jump shots and posting up. Yes, the Bucks need scoring down low. This can be done at PF too you know. Ben Wallace doesn't score...that's Gadzuric's role and Marvin can play Rasheed Wallace's role. That formula has been proven successful and the Bucks could go this direction. (Gadzuric could be among the leaders in blocks and rebounds given 30+ minutes and Williams has the potential to be better than Rasheed.)

What's best about Marvin Williams, is that he has been described as having an incredible work ethic and attitude to go with a VERY high basketball IQ. Aren't these the major qualities you look at to determine if potential will be realized.

All that size, athleticism and skill WILL develop. Just how good could he get? A guy that scored 11.3 points and grabbed 6.6 rebounds is being considered over Bogut's 20.4 and 12.2.

Williams will be a superstar in the NBA

[DHarris34Phan]

Marvin Works out for the Bucks
June 20th, 2005

St. Francis - Marvin Williams spent his 19th birthday doing drills on a basketball court while offering the Milwaukee Bucks a possible glimpse of their future.

The 6-foot-9½ forward showed his versatility in his first workout with a National Basketball Association team Sunday, and he also displayed some nervousness in the 45-minute session at the Cousins Center.

If the Bucks truly believe the North Carolina freshman can play the power forward position, he could be their choice in the June 28 NBA draft.

The Bucks must decide between Williams and 7-foot, 255-pound Utah center Andrew Bogut, who will work out with the team this morning.

"Early on, I see him more as a power forward and a guy who can play some three (small forward) as well," Bucks general manager Larry Harris said, referring to Williams. "His post-up game is a lot further along than people have seen."

The Bucks could use the 230-pound Williams to complement veteran Joe Smith at the power forward spot, and he could share time with Desmond Mason at small forward. Although he came off the bench for the national champion Tar Heels, it's conceivable he could be a starter for the Bucks.

"Eventually he's going to grow some more, so he's going to get bigger," Bucks coach Terry Porter said. "He has the bulk to him to play the four, and it's going to be a very easy transition for him.

"He's definitely strong and solid in the post."

Williams' game has been compared to several past and current NBA stars, including James Worthy, Kevin Garnett and Antawn Jamison. He struggled from beyond the three-point line in the workout but showed fine form on his perimeter shot to a range of about 20 feet.

"I can shoot the ball a little bit, and I feel I create matchup problems sometimes," Williams said. "My jumper definitely has to get better, and I can try to extend my range a little bit more."

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Williams auditions to be #1 pick
from ESPN.com:

ST. FRANCIS, Wis. – Marvin Williams says he had never tried out for a basketball team, at least not that he could remember.

But here he was Sunday, on his 19th birthday, auditioning for the Milwaukee Bucks, hoping to be the first pick in the NBA draft.

"I'm pretty excited," Williams said as he walked out onto the Cousins Center court in suburban Milwaukee. "I have to show them what I can do, my moves and see what they like."

And off he went, to show them that he is a specimen, an athletic 6-foot-8 forward who should be selected over Utah seven-footer Andrew Bogut.

The Bucks entertained Williams and his attorney, Jim Tanner of Washington D.C.-based Williams and Connolly, Saturday night, including giving Williams a cake.

On Sunday, though, Williams' day was all about basketball.

Bucks owner and team president U.S. Senator Herb Kohl was one of the first to greet him – right before he was measured, weighed, poked and prodded to gather his body fat count.

As he worked through the drills on the court – mostly facing the basket with some post-moves sprinkled in – most of the Bucks' hierarchy sat at a press table watching every move.

Williams essentially was working 1-on-0, with Bucks assistant coach Mike Sanders bumping him with a green pad on the way to the basket.

"There could be a little bit of pressure," Williams said afterward of the workout that could decide the No. 1 pick. "I'm just blessed to have the opportunity that somebody is willing to pay me to do this. How could it be better than that?"

Williams did show some jitters at times, not consistently knocking down jumpers and failing to finish at the free throw line after extensive work. A sign of fatigue? Perhaps, since he had to have his legs stretched a few times in between drills by Bucks strength and conditioning coach Tim Wilson.

There was at least one point when Williams slapped his hands in disgust after missing a shot.

"I felt like it went OK, to finally work out for a team," Williams, who has his second – and final – team workout with the Hawks on Wednesday, said. "I always want to be the best and on the court I try not to get frustrated but I do get emotional on the court."

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