Slasher

I am quite puzzled as to what the Bucks want to do with their franchise.

First off in February 2003 they pull this deal:

TO MILWAUKEE:
Gary Payton
Desmond Mayson

TO SEATTLE:
Ray Allen
Kevin Ollie
Ronald Murray
Future draft pick


Then in June 2003 the Bucks make the following trade:

TO MILWAUKEE:
Joe Smith
Anthony Peeler

TO MINNESOTA:
Sam Cassel
Ervin Johnson


Now who is left from all of this?

MILWAUKEE GAINED:
Desmond Mason
Joe Smith

MILWAUKEE LOST:
Ray Allen
Kevin Ollie
Ronald Murray
Future draft pick
Sam Cassel
Ervin Johnson

Now I am no rocket scientist but I think that the Bucks made some horrible moves, and this will hurt them greatly.

MikeDC

Saving money... building a good lottery position for next year.

I've checked and the Bucks will have their own first rounder and the Hawks' first rounder unless it's in the top 3.

I still think a lot of what they're doing is stupid, but if they luck themselves into a couple good players in the draft next year and if Ford is better than I expect, they might be ok.

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Slasher

Well its nice they're saving money but they've just gone too far. I have no problem with trading Cassel and Robinson last year, but Ray Allen??!! He was their franchise player, and they went far in the playoffs with him couple of years ago, and I don't see why they had to trade him. Its great that they've added TJ Ford but trading Allen was just wrong. I don't see what young player that they draft can be better than Ray Allen.

tdizzle

The Bucks received the Hawks first round pick this year. That is why you guys got to pick 8th overall.

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MikeDC

LOL, don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger

I think the Cassell for Joe Smith trade might be one of the worst of all time. Joe Smith is a dog and his contract is longer than Cassell's anyway.

And Ray Allen... yup, they won't get anyone as good as him.

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tdizzle

Yea, I don't really know why they traded Ray Allen. I mean I know they are in the "re-building" mode, but its not like Ray Allen is old or anything. But I do think getting Desmond Mason will help the Bucks out. Although he will probaly never be as good as Allen I think he will continue to develop as a very good player in this league.

If they hadn't made the trade.

C. = Dan Gadzuric

F. = Marcus Haislip

F. = Tim Thomas

G. = Ray Allen

G. = Michael Redd

Now.

C. = Dan Gadzuric

F. = Marcus Haislip

F. = Desmond Mason

G. = Michael Redd

G. = T.J. Ford

(Now I woldn't be at all suprised to see eather Tim Thomas or Joe Smith start, both are pretty good players, but if they are really trying to re-build I think they should play some of their younger players more minutes.)

Desmond Mason:

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Slasher

LOL I won't shoot you LOL

I just dont understand how a GM can be so dumb, geez I wouldn't make that deal on NBA2K3's Franchise mode.. LOL

Slasher

I'm sorry Bucks fans but this is not a lineup that will be winning a lot of ball games next year.

Jason Caffey
T.J. Ford
Dan Gadzuric
Marcus Haislip
Toni Kukoè
Anthony Mason
Desmond Mason
Joel Przybilla
Michael Redd
Joe Smith
Szymon Szewczyk
Tim Thomas


It's a young team with some veterans such as Kukoè and Mason, but the young guys can develop and it'll be a nice team in a couple of years.

MikeDC

I guess the real question is can Kukoc, Thomas, D. Mason, and Redd be enough to keep them competitive. I guess they could as long as Ford plays ok.

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ltrain99

Also, you have to remember that after this year ray woulof been gone from the bucks. The they were trading a little over a year of service from Ray Allen and Kevin Ollie, for a few months from Gary Payton, (and there was also a possiblity he woudl of resigned) and Desmond Mason. So, wouldnt you take Mason over Ollie any day. Theyre rebulding, they got the better, younger, player, and a probable high draft pick for next year, nevermind a salary dump to pursue free agents in the near future.

MikeDC

Can't say for sure that Allen would be gone. I like him a lot, but I don't know that anyone would have paid him the kind of salary the Bucks could

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ltrain99

Yeah they could, but I doubt they would. He and Karl had too many problems, I doubt hed wanna go back, or Karl would want him back.

hobojoe

Another thing, what were they thinking when they traded Keith Bogans for $250K??? He's looking like a real steal, 19.7 ppg in summer league. I know its only summer league, but still....Being a Magic fan, i'm really happy with that deal.

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MikeDC

Funny how Karl is still the King of the Mountain there after all the crazy crap he's said and done.

I don't get that at all. I know he's making a lot of money and the Bucks would have to eat it to get rid of him, but he's pretty looney.

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