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Kmurph · 08-05-2004, 03:00 PM

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A pick, and that is likely a 15-20 pick isn't asking for too much...is it?

Um...yeah it is. SAR is over $14mil in an expiring contract, Wally is owed something like $55mil over the next 5 years. So yeah I do think POR giving up a 1st round draft pick is asking for too much.

Talent for talent you could argue they are equal as players. Although IMO a post player (and one who has averaged for his career 19 & 8) is worth more than a swing player. However, Wally is a very good shooter, something POR sorely needs. Niether player is impressive defensively. One other note, Wally has missed SUBSTANTIAL games due to injury the last few years and SAR has been very durable. That is cause for concern for a team that is commiting itself to paying that player over $55 million. They are approximately the same age.

As for the center, I actually think POR would PREFER Johnson in the deal (with POR throwing back Stepania), but I also think MIN would PREFER to keep Johnson (expiring contract) and would rather send out Olowokandi (2 years remaining).

So I hardly see why POR should have to throw in a 1st round pick (of which very likely could be a lottery pick this year, POR making the playoffs is by NO MEANS guaranteed) to seal the deal. That is ridiculous.

MIN just matched a SIX YEAR $27 million contract for Hassell, re-signed Hoiberg and is close to inking Troy Hudson (pending league approval), so PLAYING TIME has to be a factor here as well.

As Playmaker said, KG could EASILY play SF, allowing a frontline of SAR\KG and either Olowokandi or Johnson, with Spree and Cassell in the backcourt, that is a pretty good starting five.

Flanders · 08-05-2004, 06:37 PM

Come on. I threw in a

, didn't that hint anything?

Or another scenario I would like is Wally, Kandi, and 1st round pick/Ebi for Darius Miles and Shareef...if that works, that is.

DaBigTicketKG21 · 08-06-2004, 03:21 PM

How are the McHale and Flip going to say that Hassell was an important piece to their run to the Western Conference Finals and then trade him? This trade will definitely not help us out because we already have a nice frontline with enough size and toughness.

cimalee · 08-06-2004, 04:23 PM

Im glad this deal isnt happening for the blazers Kandi is a stiff no need for wally even though hes better than any of our 2 guards

SilentOneX · 08-07-2004, 10:03 AM

I'll give you a stiff + other for one.

**sheefo13** · 08-07-2004, 07:56 PM

i agree with wild style. There is no way we trade kandi and dont get a center in return. Erv would be the only real center, madsen is 6 8. When sar was put in atl he had the chance to win. Miles in LA, had the chance to win. KG came here and helped the wolvces win. Right now the only way i trade wally is for maurice taylor......
And kandi if we nazr+

Danish Twolf · 08-08-2004, 11:08 AM

Damn, I just wrote a half page entry and the site was down when I wanted to preview (teaches me to copy first

)

Don't feel like writing it all down again, but I'm pretty much backing Kmurph in the logic of us not getting any picks on top in a potential Kandi+World for SAR.

Had it been last year I would have balked on the deal, but the thing it all hinges on, is whether or not a team buys into the idea that Kandi is a potential good C who is gonna break through in juuuuuust a little bit (I used to be one of those) or if they think he's just another big body under the basket who can't fulfill neither his potential nor the goal of actually getting the rock inside the rim....thus it's a question of faith.

I must admit I've lost faith in Kandi, and although I love World, we just simply need a PF so much more than a fourth swingman (Hassell, Spree, Hoibs). With THud (hopefully) being another option at the 2 as well and KG -IMHO- looking so much more comfortable at the 3, 'Reef would look comparatively nicer in our starting lineup than Wally... Just imagine how many boards KG and 'Reef as a forward duo could tear down

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We would look disastrous in terms of C's, but then again don't we already ?? And at crucial times, when we have needed to step up the game (like in game 7 against the Kings) we didn't play with a center (heck in periods we didn't play with neither a C nor a PG).

I wouldn't think it was a revolutionization (or however you spell that in english) to have a quick starting lineup without a real C, but it might get the better of many teams (one could argue that the reigning champs don't have a real C).

Sam - Hassell - Spree - KG - Reef (with THud and Hoibs in the backcourt rotation and Ervin/Mad Dog in the frontcourt) doesn't sound bad to me (and it would be fun to see them up against Shaq hehe).

That said, of course it would be nice to go out and get a big body to push opposing centers around, but can Kandi+World get us 'Reef I say go for it.

Oops, a different text - but I succeeded in boring you all to death for half a page anyway.

SilentOneX · 08-08-2004, 11:18 AM

Welcome, Danish Wolf!

I am not too fond with Olowokandi, either.

But the latest thing I heard about the SAR trade, unfortunately it went dead because Portland don't want Wally's overloaded contracts. So go figure.

Danish Twolf · 08-08-2004, 12:30 PM

hhhmmm posted it again (through me using refresh ???) Now I'll go hunting for a delete icon somewhere

**sheefo13** · 08-08-2004, 10:49 PM

i really dont think the wolves are going to give up kandi unless we get some sort of center back. I honestly think mchale wants to prove the league wrong and show that kandi can be a good ball player(wow i hope).Right now a big man under 30 years old that can run the floor and give you 25+ games a year at least.
he is also a good shot blocker..........

bring77 · 08-09-2004, 01:07 AM

i hope you are right!

That damn fadeaway he persists in trying....

Danish Twolf · 08-09-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by sheefo13!
i really dont think the wolves are going to give up kandi unless we get some sort of center back. I honestly think mchale wants to prove the league wrong and show that kandi can be a good ball player(wow i hope).Right now a big man under 30 years old that can run the floor and give you 25+ games a year at least.
he is also a good shot blocker..........

I guess we better hope for a miracle then

His career season during 5 years with the leagues worst team had him averaging a whooping 12.3 ppg in 38min. that's about 78min. to reach 25ppg

I really really hope that I'm wrong, but I just don't see him producing that kind of numbers in our rotation, but if he'd just play hard on defense WITHOUT easy fouls and start grabbing some more offensive boards then I could still adapt to him being on the team... it's just that 'Reef at PF sounds pretty intriguing.

SilentOneX · 08-09-2004, 05:09 PM

He isn't that great in either teams, but his stats looked better only when he was on a losing team. That's the difference, but the truth is he is no different in playing for two teams.

twolvesguy · 08-10-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Danish Twolf!
With THud (hopefully) being another option at the 2 as well and KG -IMHO- looking so much more comfortable at the 3,

Why do people still hold onto this myth??

KG is NOT more comfortable at the SF position. He is 7-1, 240 lbs. He is not a SF.

kaniffmn · 08-10-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by twolvesguy!

Why do people still hold onto this myth??

KG is NOT more comfortable at the SF position. He is 7-1, 240 lbs. He is not a SF.

took the words right outta my mouth. kg isn't moving over for anyone. he is a true power foward who can play any position, but it's only obvious where his natural position is...PF DUH!!! while i'll admit the rahim trade was interesting, he wouldn't have fit well on our team because he wants to start. notice he hasn't said anything about being traded to a playoff team, because he doesn't care. i like our starting lineup as it is. cassell, spree, hassell, kg, and erv...then off the bench we have hudson, hoiberg, wally, mad-dog, and kandi...just think about that for a minute. let that soak into your mind...we don't need anything else, but a 3rd pg and a 3rd pf. looks like rickert might have a shot at making the team for real this season.

i've said it before, and i'll say it again, don't fix what's not broken. this same team made it to the western finals and if not for injuries they would be the reigning champions going for a repeat this upcoming year. the team is now set and i'm really looking forward to the beginning of the end...for the 29 other teams in the league.

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