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SuperHerbie · 07-24-2005, 03:23 PM

Somebody help me out, I'm not sure if I've got the right idea about the one-time amnesty dealie. I'm starting to think that it might lead to the Wolves being able to pick up a player like Michael Finley on the cheap, assuming no other team got crazy and decided to offer like, half or more of their MLE.

If the Mavs decide to use the Allan Houston exception to cut Michael Finley then they're still on the hook for his contract, but not required to pay any luxury tax. My understanding of the rule is that Dallas would be required to pay the difference between whatever contract he ends up signing and his old one . I did also hear that the player actually gets the value of their contract plus whatever they sign with another team for, but it doesn't make sense to me because I doubt the league would allow any players to have "double contracts."

That said, wouldn't it restore a lot of your faith in the Wolves management if they were able to pick up Michael Finley on a veteran's minimum contract? I heard McHale saying that we'd make some noise in the off-season and so far we haven't. Unless you consider re-upping with Mad Dog and picking up Skita and Jones to be a "big splash."

So what does that leave? The Mavs aren't going to trade him, then they'd still be on the hook for the money, plus they'd only wind up with a couple of questionable type guys on the return from a team that will then, immediately cut Michael Finley themselves. I haven't heard about any real sounding deals with Sam or Wally or anybody else, and since we can't afford to be big players in free agency what else could we really do?

I'm really not sure how teams would go about working something out with a guy in advance, but does anyone know if we're discussing some of the players who might get cut for the financials?

**sheefo13** · 07-24-2005, 10:35 PM

Well I would love it! I think if this did happen I would hope Hassell is traded. If not, I would have McCants in the NBDL and do something with either Finley/ Hassell next year. He would be a very good addition though. Well now that I think about it, Hassell would be the backup for Wally since Ebi doesn't look too apealing.

SuperHerbie · 07-25-2005, 12:06 AM

Think about the potential:

Huddy/Sam/Bracey
McCants/Finley/Hassell
World/Ebi/Hoiberg(IR)
Ticket/Mad Dog/Skita
Kandi/Griff/Jones

We can keep Trenton and we improve our open floor efficiency, 3FG% and we'd have another slashing swing player who might get us some more FT opportunities.

But, are we allowed to talk to players considered likely to be dumped? Is there any reason we couldn't be working a deal right now or can we just pay the league some draft picks in advance?

**sheefo13** · 07-25-2005, 12:13 AM

I would think Hassell would not take the 3rd string. For a fact though he will be at least the backup sf... Or would start. Or McCants in the NBDL is always an option... But I am sure you can not talk to a player about a contract while he is already under contract.

SuperHerbie · 07-25-2005, 11:43 AM

Sorry, should have mentioned that I put that out there in no particular order. But with that roster, we'd probably be a lot more likely to make a trade involving any of Trenton, Sam or Wally. Thing is, does anyone really expect that we're going to make any significant moves?

NugzFan · 07-25-2005, 01:37 PM

might have to get in line behind the spurs, suns, nuggets, bulls, pacers, heat and pistons. and probably a few others too.

**sheefo13** · 07-25-2005, 02:14 PM

There are really no lines when it comes down to free agency.....

**kamego** · 07-25-2005, 02:15 PM

Pistons are taking about offering full MLE in order to get a piece of Finley. The only team he might take a discount to play for is Chicago, since he lives there in the offseason.

kaniffmn · 07-25-2005, 03:02 PM

Though I welcome the idea of bring Finley to the team, I don't see him coming here for a variety of reasons. As was said before, he is going to be a hot commodity because realistically, if he was in the free agent market at the beginning of this off season, he would've been the no.3 SG on the market. So I think he would've gotten paid like that as well. But there are a lot of teams out there that would love to have him, and I just don't think the Wolves rank very high on the list. I could see him going to Detroit or San An just for the sake of being on a team that is almost guaranteed to be fighting for the title. The Heat look like a good option too though. I am starting to have serious doubts about McHale doing something this offseason. He's going to have to pull something huge out of his arse. I don't have any respect for him as a GM as it is anyway. He's absolutely terrible.

SuperHerbie · 07-25-2005, 03:37 PM

Are you actually saying that players like Michael Finley are going to be allowed to have double contracts? What's the point? If the guy was worth the money in the first place are you really gonna cut him? That said, I can't imagine how the league would allow players who are evidentally not worth the luxury tax (The team who cuts the player is still responsible for his salary against their cap and their books, so all you're cutting a player for is luxury tax savings) being allowed basically, an "ineptitude bonus" for no longer being worth their contracts.

I think Finley is a heck of a player, I got thinking about this because I would like to believe that our teams Management could be smart enough to try and wrangle a deal like this. I'm sick of everyone complaining (although I completely agree) that McHale sucks or we never make any moves, or all of the other (accurate) complaints I read all over the net. I want what I think any Wolves fan wants: a commitment to doing what it takes to assemble a championship-caliber team from Wolves management.

Wouldn't it go a long way if we actually stopped hiding behind salary cap/free agency/Joe Smith draft pick penalties/lack of opportunities and acted just a bit more like the Mavericks or Knicks who find a way to be big off-season players every year? I gotta believe that we're doing something this year after last season, but I haven't really seen or heard anything to make me.

Does anyone really think theres going to be a LOT of full MLE offers for Finley? Does anybody think he'd go for more than that? If the deal with Griffin is only part of our MLE, why shouldn't we offer the rest to Michael Finley and hope he thinks playing with KG would be cool?

SuperHerbie · 07-25-2005, 03:41 PM

I don't think Detroit will happen though. Finley would be backing up Rip and sharing time with Chauncey who will see time at the 2 spot with Flip coaching. I don't know that Michael Finley is ready for that yet.

kaniffmn · 07-25-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperHerbie

I'm sick of everyone complaining (although I completely agree) that McHale sucks or we never make any moves, or all of the other (accurate) complaints I read all over the net. I want what I think any Wolves fan wants: a commitment to doing what it takes to assemble a championship-caliber team from Wolves management.

That is pretty much what everybody is saying...I don't know if anyone believes that McHale is the right person for that job anymore. I sure don't. He is ok at developing post players. That's about all I see in him.

**sheefo13** · 07-25-2005, 10:46 PM

Honestly the only reason I would want McHale to have anything to do with the Wolves is to develop post players... I am sure 3/4th of the posters on BBB.net could do better than he is. I will not be surprised if McHale gets fired mid-season. The guy is pulling President Harding stuff, lets just hire all my friends over other qualifed people for the job..... Lets just get McHale out.

Honestly the only reason he is still here is because he supposedly had the minds behind the picking of KG...Wow did he get lucky.

socco · 07-25-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sheefo13

Honestly the only reason I would want McHale to have anything to do with the Wolves is to develop post players.

I don't even want him for that. What post players has he developed during his time here? I know that's the reputation, that he can help make post players better, but who exactly are the great post players he's helped mold? KG? That's the only good big man we've really had, and he's not a dominant inside post player. So even in that category he does nothing for us.

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