TwinkieFoot

If you move them in a multi-team deal then you maximize the number of players involved and thus maximize the number of assets you can acquire. Considering your situation, that is exactly the situation the Wolves need to be in, in case they move Garnett because you don't have very much of anything else to play with.

Avalanche

i just dont understand why your adement on trying to get this done in one deal, its not necissary.

Jefferson has pretty stats with Kidd setting him up, hes an above average SF and thats all, randolph morris is not a 1st round talent IMO.

my response to the JO and KG trade rumors is..... minny needs to try and get JO, rickys expiring and the first round pick would be a start.

TwinkieFoot

You made alot more sense to me after this post. I was aware of the fact that you forfeited first round picks after the Joe Smith scandel for several years but figured it was coming to an end. I guess the only thing you can hope for is to be far below the cap.

Then again, if you miss the lottery, your still entitled to your lottery draft pick. That is how you got Randy Foye last year and this is how your getting your draft pick this year. With that proposed trade, you won't be making the playoffs, so you'll be entitled to this first round pick until your situation stemming from the Joe Smith scandel expires. So I got to ask you, what are you worrying about? You'd you have two first round picks in one of the deepest drafts ever, still have Ricky Davis as trade bait, and have a young cast to serve as some sort of foundation to entice FA's to sign with your team.


P.S., that undrafted rookie you mentioned had a solid stint in college this year and drew the attention of 10 teams before he signed with the Knicks. From now till the offseason he's been working with our frontline coaches Mark Aguirre and George Glymph, the same guys who are responsible for developing Jermaine O'neal's, Al Harrington's, and Eddy Curry's post up moves. By the time he gets to you guys, he might be a player to seriously consider. Remember that Ben Wallace and Brad Miller went undrafted and they are currently two of the best centers in the league.

TwinkieFoot

During the inital season when Kenyon Martin got traded and Kidd was injuried, Jefferson proved to be capable of playing much better than first advertised. I've been able to catch most Net games over the past 6 years and was also surprised by that outburst because like Kenyon Martin, I thought he was completely reliant on Jason Kidd. I turned out to be wrong because he played like a franchise player until he himself got injuried. Still, it is all depedent on situation and I do not personally believe he is a player you build around but can use him as your 2nd tier player next to a star.


I lke your idea for JO and think it can work. Don't you think that you guys would be better served with Ron Artest considering how solid both Mark Blount and Craig Smith played for you guys down the second stretch of the season?

Avalanche

the thing is the only piece of use to the wolves is the draft pick, bynum and lee both end up with the pacers...
minny could do a straight swap with a team like boston and get a lot more in return

but when all is said and done Garnett still isnt moving IMO

Avalanche

Blount and Smith were solid yeah, and were better than most of us expected, however they dont have a defensive precence we need next to KG which JO proved he could do this season, its not a perfect fit but talent wise its a great second option and probably the best front line in the league.

now artest i personally think that we could throw ricky davis' expiring at them and hope for the best, and i would love to have artest even with all the issues... however taylor doesnt want guys with bad character issues here so i dont see it happening.

TwinkieFoot

Bad character? You guys brought in Latrell Sprewell and you don't get much more bad character than that, LOL. Anyway, I understand what you mean but I do not believe Artest is necessarily a bad character person. I think that his main problem is the fact that he has something seriously wrong with him. The thing is though that I believe some sort of "big brother" kind of influence would help him out alot and a guy like Garnett certainly seems to have the temperment to do so. I think Artest has been ostericized for so long that he needs to feel like he belongs and is accepted from someone and I believe only an older influence can do that. I also believe that given his talent, you need to have someone on the team that clearly is the leader and clearly the better player or else he'll step right over anyone (see the Pacers and Kings). I see the Wolves because of Garnett being one of the few teams that might be able to harness Artest's raw abilities.

Still, I think the JO deal makes you better because his back to the basket game provides greater spacing on the floor and a more convential inside-outside game. I think that would provide a more comfortable environment for a guy like Marko Jaric (who is a solid player) because it provides him with greater spacing on the floor and gives him a relatively solid target to kick it too in the post. Other guys like Mike James, Troy Hudson, etc. become a hell of alot more relevant as well because they all can shoot the ball.

Avalanche

True, we brought in spree.... and davis for that matter (although his issues were always WAY overblown) , im not sure how recently taylor made the statement about bad character guys though... although if there is someone who brings baggage to a team now its ron artest, whether Garnett could straighten him out im unsure, but is it worth a try? definately.
im not sure what exactly the kings are after, i mean if we could give them hassel/smith/2nd rounder for artest or something of the like we could pursue JO aswell.
Artest/Garnett/Oneil up front.... yeah ok now im dreaming.

i think when all is said and done JO ends up on the lakers and Garnett stays in minny