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I love that shot... it <i>is</i> a totally unguardable move. I wish I had taped some of the Minnesota-LA series...

socco

The only thing I dohn't like about it is sometimes he fades too much against littler guys. He still makes it, but he doesn't need to fade against well pretty much 95% of the league, cus he's so tall and long and can elevate over pretty much everybody. It's a pretty move though. In a game, I think it against the Sonics or something, he had a really nice one. He was 2 ft inside the 3-point line in the corner. Tripled-teamed as time was winding down in the 1st. He fades out of bounce and away from all 3 of them at the buzzer and swishes it. I knew it was in all the way, cus it's KG and he always makes those great shots. But it was pretty incredible, one of the best shots i've ever seen. It woulda been nicer at the end of a game to win it, but it was still great.

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I didnt read any of the garbage about stats. it's all about winning.

DUNCAN is winning and maintaining his monster stats.

kKG cant do that.

Thats the bottonline.

The originial poster of this thread is wrong.!

IV

His significance is more overwhelming to the game because of what he has accomplished. KG is not nearly as accomplished.

I dont think KG is better than him. One can argue who is better either way.
However, I know that Tim is greater because he has done more with his career in less time.

You're opinion is your own and its valid, and quite a few reporters happen to agree with you. However, twice as many reporters happen to agree that Duncan is the MVP this year and the majority rules.

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To win you need a great team around you, no 1 player wins by himself. Jordan didn't win anything until he got a great supporting cast around him, he won 1 playoff game his first 3 or 4 seasons. Then when Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant began to develop as players that is when the Bulls started contending. No matter how great a player is he can't win a thing without other players helping him, remember basketball is a team game, it takes a team to win.

Your baseball argument is even worse, you put A Rod on the Yankees and they have won 6 straight world series titles, and if you put Jeter on the Rangers, they are even further in last place. A Rod is the greatest offensive shortstop ever, and is better on defense than Jeter. A Rod can't pitch, while Jeter has Clemens, Mussina, Wells, and in the past, Cone, Gooden and El Duque. Please make valid arguments!!!!!1

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socco

KG has won too. He won 51 games this year by himself, a frachise record i might add. Duncan won 60, but it took a good team to help him out with that.

It's not twice as many. And since when does what reporters think decide what actually is the truth? This is the first time I've ever heard somebody say greater. Just because someone has a greater impact doesn't make them better. Just because reporters say Duncan is more valuable, doesn't mean he is. HAve you ever took in the fact that maybe they are wrong?

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That's exactly what i say. It's amazing that he put the Wolve sinto the 4th position all by himself. Especially in the playoffs, it's hard to win. Great teams step it up and are unstoppable if you don't have a great team as well. All the players who have titles have had great players around them. It would be foolish to expect a human to take the team KG has and do anything with it in the playoffs at all.

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Its easy for you to underate KG's teammates to support your arguement. They're not nearly a poor group of guys the way you make it seem. Your just reaching for something that's not there.

My mistake, it was not twice as many. It was 91 more votes that favored Duncan. And that is the truth. You're opinion is not the truth, the majorities opinion, at least in the society of basketball, is what makes Tim Duncan the MVP. You know, I can't just want Dr. J to be the greatest of all time, and because I said so, its true. C'mon man.

You keep arguing better and I wont argue with that because(AGAIN) you can argue in circles either way, but Tim is greater. The voters(reporters) that say he is can be wrong in your mind, but that would still make him the MVP, meaning he is the MVP. He had more votes than any other player. Its a fair, your opinion may not be.

Greater..... You dont really have an arguement for that because there isn't one. Although, I'm interested to see what you'll come up with.

You have to except this sooner than later.

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He didn't put Minny in the 4th seed all by himself. They won and lost as a team.

And TD only has one other great player with him this year, and that's a 17 year veteran named David Robinson, who just retired.

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Well I agree with q, that KG's supporting cast is terrible. It's so bad nobody had the T Wolves in the top 6 in the west, and considering KG is a consensus top 4 player in the NBA, that is saying his supporting cast is awful. Give KG another player that can create his own shot, and the Wolves are contenders. Don't even claim Wally can create his own shot, he is a spot up jump shooter, Troy Hudson does most of his damage off the pick and roll and in transition.

Like I said I personally believe Duncan is the better player of the two, but by a slight margin. The main reason is I believe Duncan is more of a defensive force in the paint, he blocks and alters so many shots. KG is the most versatile defender, but defenders don't get to the basket and see KG and get nervous, Duncan has the affect on players. Duncan is a better post player than Garnett, while Garnett is a better perimeter player. They are very nearly equal as players but after this postseason I would have to take Duncan. Prior to the postseason I would have said KG was the best player in the league.

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Terrible is definately the wrong word. They may not be the best supporting cast, but terrible?

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I got to three pages in this thread got tired of reading so I'm just going to make a few points and move on......

1) The idea that Duncan is better than Garnett because the Wolves haven't made the playoffs is the most ill conceived, illogical, half thought out, intellectually lazy arguments I’ve heard on this board. (And I post on the Bulls board and have to read all of NugzFan BS). If I I’m the commissioner of the league and I decide that I’m going to make the paraplegic all-star team the next Charlotte franchise and then put Duncan on that team and they never make the playoffs again, does that make Duncan a worst player in some magical way. No, it doesn’t, it just means his team isn’t good. Now I can respect your opinion if you say and defend that the Wolves supporting cast is comparable to the Spurs. But please save that KG has never won stuff for somewhere else. At least try to make a argument to go with that empty claim you dolts.
2) While were on the topic over supporting casts, I think the Spurs cast is heads and tails better. First off I’d offer the stats that initial post presented that explained the +/- ratios. That should at least quite the people some people. But other than that the fact remains that the Wolves second best player is Wally who although is a great offensive player (certainly heads and tails better than Bowen in every single offensive category except for hitting threes so wide open you get lonely and homesick) just gives it right back up on defense. As for the rest of the supporting cast Hudson is a marginal PG at best who looked 1000 times better than he really is because he had some good games on a national stage (call it the Stephen Jackson syndrome) Raso who is an average-to-above average center and a bunch of other no-name jabronies including Joe Smith who ruined the franchise (the GM didn’t shoot himself in the foot, he shot himself in the face with a shotgun) and Kendall Gill (I-L-L…….I-N-I) whose best days came when Nate McMillion, Hersey Hawkins, and Mitch Richmond were great SG….
3) Ehhhh…I’ve already typed too much….I’m going bowling…..I’ll finish this when I get back....either way u go just try to make logical arguements...

IV

Did you just imply that the Twolves supporting cast is as bad as a group of paraplegics? WOW

You could use a little work in that department as well.