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Re: Wolves 2008 Draft, with assumptions

Foye has done everything he could with the opportunities he was given last season, if you put his stats out at per 40 minutes they are very impressive for a rookie.... he will be fine IMO.

Rose and Mayo may/will be better players though so you cant pass them up.

I would love to see a Foye/Mayo backcourt tandem
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The thing about point guards is:

Telfair: so far, in the NBA, he's shooting a lot...and not making the shots. On the other hand, unlike Foye, he is a legit PG who can handle pressure. And he can pass. And I'll never forget the times he shut down people when he set his mind to it, like Livingston in the McDonalds game or Ukic in the Hoop Summit.

Foye: going to be a very good player, but I am not sold on his ability to be a real PG. And if there is one thing I"ve noticed, it's that not a lot of guys finally turn into PGs at the NBA level. A few might, but a lot reach that awkward combo status at best. So while Foye may be a nice passer and handler from the SG spot, does that mean he'll take charge of a team as a legit PG? As a guy like Doc Rivers...(who bounced back and forth often)

Jaric: I actually like him. But he's not a legit starting PG at this level, and is better equipped to be a utility point forward.

Buckner: ahahaha.

So if you get a shot at a real PG, take it. But Mayo isn't a real PG, he's a guy who can play PG. I'm not sure, with his scoring mentality, he's the guy.
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The thing about point guards is:

Telfair: so far, in the NBA, he's shooting a lot...and not making the shots. On the other hand, unlike Foye, he is a legit PG who can handle pressure. And he can pass. And I'll never forget the times he shut down people when he set his mind to it, like Livingston in the McDonalds game or Ukic in the Hoop Summit.

Foye: going to be a very good player, but I am not sold on his ability to be a real PG. And if there is one thing I"ve noticed, it's that not a lot of guys finally turn into PGs at the NBA level. A few might, but a lot reach that awkward combo status at best. So while Foye may be a nice passer and handler from the SG spot, does that mean he'll take charge of a team as a legit PG? As a guy like Doc Rivers...(who bounced back and forth often)

Jaric: I actually like him. But he's not a legit starting PG at this level, and is better equipped to be a utility point forward.

Buckner: ahahaha.

So if you get a shot at a real PG, take it. But Mayo isn't a real PG, he's a guy who can play PG. I'm not sure, with his scoring mentality, he's the guy.
sorta why im so keen to get him here... he and Foye are both Scoring Guards who have point guard skills in there too, with 2 guys having not only the ability to score 20+ on a night but also run the offense this team would be dangerous
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The "no PG, two guards" philosophy is an interesting one to me, too. I guess I'm just not yet sold on Mayo, frankly. Early celebrity freaks me out. Lebron has done well with it, but so many guys haven't. (Schea Cotton, anyone? Felipe Lopez? And of course our own Sebastian Telfair.)

That is part of why (by the way) I'm one of those seemingly few who still like Jaric. I think having a guy who isn't a score-first player and who can bring the ball across midcourt or set up an offense is of value.
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The "no PG, two guards" philosophy is an interesting one to me, too. I guess I'm just not yet sold on Mayo, frankly. Early celebrity freaks me out. Lebron has done well with it, but so many guys haven't. (Schea Cotton, anyone? Felipe Lopez? And of course our own Sebastian Telfair.)

That is part of why (by the way) I'm one of those seemingly few who still like Jaric. I think having a guy who isn't a score-first player and who can bring the ball across midcourt or set up an offense is of value.
if jaric had a different attitude and bball iq then a small forward with his skill set would be great alongside scoring guards... unfortunately he just doesnt fit.

Mayo does seem to be a risk and a lot of people are low on him because of all the hype, and the attitude issues ("supposed attitude issues"), but i think he is THE player from this draft with the ability to become a franchise player
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Re: Wolves 2008 Draft, with assumptions

I disagree that Jaric doesn't have a basketball IQ. In fact, I think it's his best skill. I really believe his #1 issue is confidence. Whenever he is demoted from starter to bench, or away from PG, or criticized in the press, his game suffers. It's happened ever since he joined the Clippers. I don't know why, because a former Euroleague star and international team leader should be ready to step up and say "WTF, I'm in charge here, and I'm damn good," but instead he seems to wither and question himself and everything else. He gets tentative, rushed and just all-around worse. (Kirilenko has Jaric Disease on occasion.)
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it sucks to have to root for a team that is talking lotto at the start of the season, but as a nugget fan i know what its like.
first let me answer your senerio. 8th and the 14th pick. if i had to choose right now. I'll give you some names of a few guys that could be around.
I see the Wolves as a team that could have a few potiental stars on the roster. Al, Brewer,Foye, McCants, we are talking some really solid guys down the road. the problem is you need a superstar. A melo, lebron, or at least a team leader like say billups to go with 4 other really quality guys.
So with the 8th pick I would hope for Eric Gordon to fall into that slot. Just flat out take the best talent available. Assuming Mayo, Beasley, and Rose are gone thats what you obviously do. Hope for Gordon.
If you get a top three pick then you have a decision to make. If you are the third pick its easy because you just take the one that didnt get picked, but at one or two you have a decision to make. I think its pointless to pick one right now, but I have my eye on Mayo. But Beasley could be a great player if he keeps his head in the game and Rose has serious skills too.
With the 14th pick I take the best available big man. It will have a lot to do with how the NCAA season goes. Jordan should be off the board by then. One of the following should be around though
Thabeet,Love, Caracter. Thabeet is that tall center we all crave, but love has serious game at 6'9 or 6'10. Caracter has a lot of talent but also a lot to prove this year. Id say away from hibbert, he should have came out last year. Will he be more than average in the nba? i dont think so. Id take Love or him for sure. But still its a wait and see game right now.
You never know how the draft with go though. Gordon might get picked up with the 7th pick. Then maybe you end up with Donte Greene at 8 and Bill Walker at 14. Who knows?
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it sucks to have to root for a team that is talking lotto at the start of the season, but as a nugget fan i know what its like.
first let me answer your senerio. 8th and the 14th pick. if i had to choose right now. I'll give you some names of a few guys that could be around.
I see the Wolves as a team that could have a few potiental stars on the roster. Al, Brewer,Foye, McCants, we are talking some really solid guys down the road. the problem is you need a superstar. A melo, lebron, or at least a team leader like say billups to go with 4 other really quality guys.
So with the 8th pick I would hope for Eric Gordon to fall into that slot. Just flat out take the best talent available. Assuming Mayo, Beasley, and Rose are gone thats what you obviously do. Hope for Gordon.
If you get a top three pick then you have a decision to make. If you are the third pick its easy because you just take the one that didnt get picked, but at one or two you have a decision to make. I think its pointless to pick one right now, but I have my eye on Mayo. But Beasley could be a great player if he keeps his head in the game and Rose has serious skills too.
With the 14th pick I take the best available big man. It will have a lot to do with how the NCAA season goes. Jordan should be off the board by then. One of the following should be around though
Thabeet,Love, Caracter. Thabeet is that tall center we all crave, but love has serious game at 6'9 or 6'10. Caracter has a lot of talent but also a lot to prove this year. Id say away from hibbert, he should have came out last year. Will he be more than average in the nba? i dont think so. Id take Love or him for sure. But still its a wait and see game right now.
You never know how the draft with go though. Gordon might get picked up with the 7th pick. Then maybe you end up with Donte Greene at 8 and Bill Walker at 14. Who knows?
definately agree... and overall a really good assessment of where we'd be at.

i do think we need that superstar player.... Jefferson and Foye have all-star potential but i dont think they can carry a competitive franchise... Mayo is going to be able to do that IMO
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I disagree that Jaric doesn't have a basketball IQ. In fact, I think it's his best skill. I really believe his #1 issue is confidence. Whenever he is demoted from starter to bench, or away from PG, or criticized in the press, his game suffers. It's happened ever since he joined the Clippers. I don't know why, because a former Euroleague star and international team leader should be ready to step up and say "WTF, I'm in charge here, and I'm damn good," but instead he seems to wither and question himself and everything else. He gets tentative, rushed and just all-around worse. (Kirilenko has Jaric Disease on occasion.)
He played better when he was a Clipper. He'd must lost it on his way to Minnesota in the trade.
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definately agree... and overall a really good assessment of where we'd be at.

i do think we need that superstar player.... Jefferson and Foye have all-star potential but i dont think they can carry a competitive franchise... Mayo is going to be able to do that IMO
its possible those guys make some all star games, but thats my point you cant contend with just them. thats kinda why i threw billups in the mix. if you are strong at all positions and have a team leader that will work too. watch gordon at indiana this year. he has a higher ceiling than anyone on the t-wolves roster.
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Just like everyone else. If we get the 1 or 2 I want Mayo/Rose. Otherwise we pick big, and for depth.
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eric gordon just dropped 33 for Indiana in his debut. Gordon is the 4th guy on my board.
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