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Old 12-20-2007, 08:39 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

its just BPA for us because realistically we dont have any position totally set... Foye could play either Point or SG depending on who hes playing with, same with Jefferson at the 4/5.

Getting the number 1 pick we would have to hope that someone had put themselves head and shoulders above the competition regardless of his position.
if we end up 5-10 i would like to pick up a center
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

I've noticed about this team's drafting ability. Over the last 3 years, they drafted 3 first round picks right out of college. Ok, 2nd rounders included but that's not too important, anyway. That is the total of 7 players, which we traded two away (Roy and Bobby Jones. Bracey Wright is no longer with the team and Loukas Moadkashfklashfklshfjfalkdfj has yet played for us).

2 of last 3 first round picks were from the national championship teams (North Carolina & Florida) the year they got drafted. One had as much success in his senior year as his whole year in Villanova. I mean, the team needs to start overlooking the players' and their successes in college basketball to where their true potentials and abilities are laying down. That could be the reason why they got drafted as high?

Never meant to bash anything against those picks, but none of all are immediate impact to this team. Just my two cents.
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:45 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

Whether it's from some philosophical bent to believe in players who have had success in college or something else (like the much joked-about lack of scouting), there is little doubt that the Wolves have favored players who had big success in college. There are exceptions, but generally, that has been their method. (The Bobcats have done the same thing.) In some regards, I like that strategy. I don't want some 6-11 athlete just because he's 6-11 and an athlete. I want basketball players. But on the other hand, not every great or potentially great player was at Duke, UNC, etc. And maybe McHale needs to get expanded cable, beyond just the Big Ten Network.
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:50 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

And the purpose of drafting Chris Richard? To make Corey Brewer feel home as much as possible?

Bobcats, that's true. Okafor, Felton, Morrison, May, and some names that I might missed out. Successful teams, and some of them over hyped. Also, I think it has something to do with the Carolina connection.
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And the purpose of drafting Chris Richard?
Well, that's where I stray from the idea. I think their idea is that he was a player who would have had better success elsewhere (probably true) but was instead at a winning program, which will help him and the team here (debatable).
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:37 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

I definitely think Richard was only drafted to make Brewer feel better. We could have gotten him in free agency, because no way was anyone else going to draft him, but they were probably scared that he'd choose another team. Basically it was a wasted pick.

I agree with JuX here. The strategy is to draft high profile college players, period. It's not working though. None of these guys have wound up being the "best player available" in retrospect. Most of our 2nd rounders were complete wastes (Smith was just a lucky pick, I'm sure). Our guys are decent but their upside doesn't go much beyond "solid player", and we don't have enough talent right now. We need more stars.
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

Cross-post on the rake comments:

As for the need vs talent debate for our 1st round pick. Last year I read an interesting article on ESPN. Some coaches use a tier system.

Basicly, you first group the people in tiers according to talent. People that are about the same level.

In last year's draft, it would have been something like this. Keep in mind, not everyone had the same tiers...

Tier 1: Oden, Durant
Tier 2: Horford, Conley
Tier 3: Wright, Brewer, Noah, ...

Then, inside each tier you order by need. So say you got the 3rd pick and you have a huge need a PG.

First rule, you never pick from tier 2 when someone from tier 1 is still on the board, same goes for 3 and 2, etc...

So If you've got the 3rd pick and need a PG. Oden and noah get picked 1 and 2 > you go for durant even though you need a PG, the tier system makes sure you don't reach for need with conley.

Same situation but now oden and durant get drafted one and two. Even though Horford might be slight "better" than conley. Because they are in the same talent tier you pick conley because you need a PG.

Off course the system isn't perfect and a lot depends on who you decide to put together.

Ok now I got that explained... I also think you put a little more weight on talent in the 1st round and a lot more in need in the 2nd. Since the difference in talent tends to be mucht smaller between the 2nd round players... That's why I think we should defenitly have been able to grab a big in last years second round ... anyway



If I would have to make tiers now from what I've read and seen (only seen Rose and Gordon play in the top talents category) it would be.

Tier 1: beasly
Tier 2: rose, gordon ... maybe add mayo, but I wouldn't
Tier3: mayo, jordan

So if we get pick 1, we take beasly and fill a need with whatever picks we can get.

If we get pick 2, we take rose if he's there, if he isn't, beasly (for instance if the knicks get pick nr1.. might happen they pick rose first)

if we get pick 3, and both rose and beasly are gone it gets tricky. The system says we don't pick in tier 3 when tier 2 is available. So the system says pick gordon, though if you want a good center as much as I do you might have the feeling you want to take jordan. Though I would trust the system and not take the risc of regretting passing on gordon later. Especially after seeing him play .. the guy is TALENTED.
Also, if we somehow get a mid 1st rounder (with our trade exception and all complicated stuff), there are plenty of good centers to be had there.. Riek, thabeet (whom I now saw play against ND and would defenitly like to pair with Jefferson!) ...

If we have pick 4, we obviously again pick gordon if he's there, if he isn't you can choose between mayo and jordan. We obviously pick jordan.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:07 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

It sound like Philadelphia wants to clean house, and Iggy is not happy.

Why not offer Green/Theo/#1 for Iggy & Dalembert? That'd give us a stuf wing player, and a greta partner next to Al.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:10 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Probably not since Iggy does not want to be with a losing team, which we are.
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

We have a better future than Philly though! One can dream...
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:19 AM   #41 (permalink)
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The more I think about it the less I think we want Beasley. He comes off to me as a Zach Randolph, and we already have an offensive dynamo at the 4. I'd much rather prefer one of the wing players.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:31 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I know im in the vast minority but i still want Mayo
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:42 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

Foye for Childress?

How has this board gotten so mad?
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:04 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Not even Mchale could be fooled into Foye for Childress
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Re: I'm worried about the Draft

It wouldn't be atrocious at all, Childress is actually pretty solid and underrated. Of course Foye hasn't played this year so far, but he would have to play a lot better to make this deal unfair.
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