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01-02-2008, 01:25 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
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We are going to have little-to-no cap space when his contract expires. Assuming the Wolves don't re-sign any of their free agents (Gomes, Telfair, Green, Smith), they will have $3 million. Big whoop.
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Really, that is a lot of money coming off the books, Garnett's contract must have been huge.......but it is part of the rebuild process. I'd think that letting him walk is the best move for Minnesota, clearing up room for later down the road should be McHale's goal. It is going to suck for a few years, but you do have some young talent on that team, you'd be able to add as Ratliff, Walker, whoever else is holding you down expire.
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01-02-2008, 01:55 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
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Really, that is a lot of money coming off the books, Garnett's contract must have been huge.......but it is part of the rebuild process. I'd think that letting him walk is the best move for Minnesota, clearing up room for later down the road should be McHale's goal. It is going to suck for a few years, but you do have some young talent on that team, you'd be able to add as Ratliff, Walker, whoever else is holding you down expire.
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Garnett's, Wally's, and the cumulative values of Hudson's, Hassell's, Howard's, etc. We'll be around $53 million after this season before any moves regarding extensions, re-signing or newly signing anyone. The cap will probably fall around $56 million.
While flexibility is nice, I still think cap space is overrated for the Wolves. I think our prime building has to be through the draft and trades, with free agents just filling in around the edges.
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01-02-2008, 08:27 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
and the knicks are in the same boat as yous folks
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01-02-2008, 08:32 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
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and the knicks are in the same boat as yous folks
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Only worse, cap-wise. But better, talent-wise. But worse, attitude-wise. So I don't know whose in a worse boat.
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01-03-2008, 03:06 AM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
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Garnett's, Wally's, and the cumulative values of Hudson's, Hassell's, Howard's, etc. We'll be around $53 million after this season before any moves regarding extensions, re-signing or newly signing anyone. The cap will probably fall around $56 million.
While flexibility is nice, I still think cap space is overrated for the Wolves. I think our prime building has to be through the draft and trades, with free agents just filling in around the edges.
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Definately agree here, this isnt the place for the high profile FA's... we target to build through the draft primarily.....
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01-03-2008, 07:20 AM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
In the end............yeah I knew it would be this bad.
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01-03-2008, 10:31 AM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
So we gotta face another losing season the reminder of this season and next. We can start putting in some goods after 2 years. Awfully a long way to go. Damn you, McHale for overpaying Wally, Hudson, Howard, and acquiring Jaric with his overpaid contract.
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01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
from what i did see in Jaric, he looks like he could be a leader for the wolves...more so then Walker 
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01-03-2008, 12:05 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
Neither are going to be a long term leader for the wolves.... Walker just doesnt have such a long contract unlike Jaric
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01-03-2008, 01:26 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
True, also Jaric to me is a player that is off and on with me, sometimes he looks like a great hustle player (which are my favorite players.) While other times he's just a player that I would give away for ten dollers and a free ticket to a Spurs game.
on a side note:
You ever watch a Mavericks game? Or a Rockets Game? Or a Spurs Game? I remember watching the Mavs vs Spurs and there were hardly any people in attendance. The Texas State has it too good, they have been spoiled with the basketball teams...if I had two teams of that caliber playing, I would be there in a heart beat.
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01-03-2008, 02:05 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
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True, also Jaric to me is a player that is off and on with me, sometimes he looks like a great hustle player (which are my favorite players.) While other times he's just a player that I would give away for ten dollers and a free ticket to a Spurs game.
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When Jaric is playing well, he's a legitimate NBA rotation player. I think NBA starter is almost always a stretch, unless he were on a team surrounded by really high level guys and was that "glue guy." When he plays well, though, he's an aggressive defender and penetrator, a guy who looks for scoring opportunities for his teammates and himself to the point of committing turnovers, but they're almost always the kind you can live with. He can hit outside shots, but when he's playing well doesn't fall in love with 3s exclusively. And that size and his arms can wreak some havoc in the passing lanes. When he's up, he's also spirited in a great way that permeates the team. That's why he's been so good at times for his national teams over the years.
Unfortunately, his confidence is obviously fragile. Both in LA and here, we've read interviews with him or his coaches time and time again when he questions his role, questions the team's interest in him, questions his game, etc. It almost seems like you have to commit to him as a major-minutes guy at least, or a starter, just to keep his confidence up. And then you have to take those bad games and still prop up that ego. I just don't think that's a good trait for a pro athlete to have...especially an NBA PG.
I hoped that when we acquired him as PG of the future with a big deal, he'd take that role and really step up and thrive. Instead, it seems it's burdened him more and he's been bad far more often than he's been good.
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01-03-2008, 02:24 PM
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Re: Is It Worse Than You Thought It Would Be?
I dont think he is ever going to fit here, its rather pointless both ways... he wont be in our long term plans but we play him big minutes anyway.
If we dont play him he gets depressed and is stuck in a long contract.
We need to trade him, i still think he owuld be best suited playing next to an undersized 2 like Iverson/Arenas/Gordon etc, where he could play PG on offense but defend the bigger guards
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