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**sheefo13** · 08-05-2003, 05:34 PM

the timberwolves , cavs, and bulls trade.
minnesota timberwolves trade: Wally Szczerbiak ( 17.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, and 2.6 apg)
Mike Wilks ( 3.2 ppg, 1.5 rpg, and 2.0 apg)
2004 2nd Round Pick
2006 2nd Round Pick
Timberwolves recieve: Ricky Davis ( 20.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, and 5.5 apg)
J.R. Bremer ( 8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.6 apg)
Change in team outlook: + 8.1 ppg, + 1.1 rpg, + 3.5 apg

Bulls trade: Jalen Rose ( 22.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.8 apg)
Roger Mason Jr. ( 1.8 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.7 apg )
2005 2nd Round Pick
Bulls recieve: Wally Szczerbiak ( 17.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, and 2.6 apg)
Mike Wilks ( 3.2 ppg, 1.5 rpg, and 2.0 apg)
2006 2nd Round Pick
Change in team outlook: -2.6 ppg, +0.1 rpg, - 0.9 apg

Cavs trade: Ricky Davis ( 20.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, and 5.5 apg)
J.R. Bremer ( 8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.6 apg)
Cavs recieve: Jalen Rose ( 22.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.8 apg)
Roger Mason Jr. ( 1.8 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.7 apg )
2004 2nd Round Pick
2005 2nd Round Pick
Change in team outlook: - 5.5 ppg, -1.2 rpg, -2.6 apg

TRADE ACCEPTED
the teams that get minus stats, they get their share of 2nd round picks, so why complain?

team by team analysis
MN- obviouly gets the best of the deal at the time but not in the future. they get better defnsively and the stats they add will not exactly show itself in the future. Bremer may not play as much as he could be but gives the team more depth.
CAVS-They may not get the best players in the trade but they get better prospects ( mason jr and pick. Gives them a metor and a scorer to lebron. It also lets Bron shine a bit more.
CHI- they finally get wally. they get a solid point guard in wilks to backup hinrich and crawford. Gives the twin towers room to blossum! They also get a great shooter in wally.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

jokeaward · 08-05-2003, 06:36 PM

Interesting. I'd rather keep Wally for an outside shooter with out new swingman. Davis is the better play probably, but about .400 shooting.

Kind of weird for the Cavs, Rose probably wants the ball.

And FWIW, Gund said they're holding onto Lebron, Boozer, and I think Davis.

**MJG** · 08-05-2003, 06:44 PM

I agree that weird seems to be the word to describe this trade. I don't think any team really rips anyone else off in this, but I don't think this helps anyone either. It's like teams are dumping players that they either don't want or are trouble off on another team while getting a similar player in return.

kaniffmn · 08-05-2003, 08:39 PM

now that the t-wolves added spree...why would they want to add another swingman. if they trade wally, it's time to trade him for a banger at the power forward position so kg can start at sf and create mismatch after mismatch. i'd love to see a trade for a p.j. brown, brian grant, kurt thomas...either that...or trade wally for some solid role players a power forward off the bench and another shooter...i'm sure they could work somethin out. but i don't want to see the wolves mess this up. they got a solid team as it is with their present off-season moves. let them resign trent, wilks, and pick up jackson...and it's onto the nba finals for us.

Jonathan Watters · 08-05-2003, 08:40 PM

If the Minnesota Timberwolves trade Wally for Ricky Davis, I am going to be one pissed of individual.

Davis is a much less effective, much more volatile version of Latrell Sprewell.

Before we got Cassell and Spree, Wally was our top slashing wing, which simply wasn't cutting it. He was a liability in this regard. Now that we have two guys who can get to the basket, Wally's shooting ability is an invaluable asset.

Davis is a lazy, ballhogging, chemistry problem. I want nothing to do with him.

**sheefo13** · 08-05-2003, 08:54 PM

ok jokeaward, they dont want to hold on to ricky, they want to hold on to ilgaskis( big Z), losing wally would actually help the chemistry of this team, wally is always looking for shots and is only a streaky shooter. the teams in these trades get what they want, we get a guy that can score in which spree doesnt plan to score, he plans to shut down other guards, cassell will become more of a distributer, and kandi will get boards and block shots. wally wouldnt fit the wolves game plan, a shooter really doesnt fit with all that, we need a guy who will be the second scorer and will also play defense. bremer gives us more depth even if he doesnt play a lot, can play a little bit of the 2. rose would become a mentor to lebron and help him out with playing the forward position. we all know that lebron wont average more than 15 points a game. they also get a few prospects in the trade. the bulls get a shooter to compliment their big man. hinrich becomes more of a distributer. wilks gives them another guy off the bench in that pg spot that they despretly need depth in.

Jonathan Watters · 08-05-2003, 11:42 PM

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the teams in these trades get what they want, we get a guy that can score in which spree doesnt plan to score, he plans to shut down other guards, cassell will become more of a distributer, and kandi will get boards and block shots. wally wouldnt fit the wolves game plan, a shooter really doesnt fit with all that, we need a guy who will be the second scorer and will also play defense.

Come on now...Spree is here to slash to the basket. Cassell is here to penetrate and get people open looks.

Both are going to command constant double teams. Both are more than capable of being the second scorer, much more so than Ricky Davis.

Wally is going to get SO many open shots of these guys. We need a player who can key off of Spree & Cassell's penetration, and Ricky Davis is NOT going to do it as well as Wally.

And please don't even try to insinuate that Ricky Davis will play defense...that's just ignorant.

**bruno34115** · 08-06-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by sheefo13!
ok jokeaward, they dont want to hold on to ricky, they want to hold on to ilgaskis( big Z), losing wally would actually help the chemistry of this team, wally is always looking for shots and is only a streaky shooter. the teams in these trades get what they want, we get a guy that can score in which spree doesnt plan to score, he plans to shut down other guards, cassell will become more of a distributer, and kandi will get boards and block shots. wally wouldnt fit the wolves game plan, a shooter really doesnt fit with all that, we need a guy who will be the second scorer and will also play defense. bremer gives us more depth even if he doesnt play a lot, can play a little bit of the 2. rose would become a mentor to lebron and help him out with playing the forward position. we all know that lebron wont average more than 15 points a game. they also get a few prospects in the trade. the bulls get a shooter to compliment their big man. hinrich becomes more of a distributer. wilks gives them another guy off the bench in that pg spot that they despretly need depth in.

dude how come u hate wally? ive read a couple of your posts and you seem to have something against wally.

kaniffmn · 08-06-2003, 11:25 AM

i see what both sides are saying...but wally's fanfare went with his performance in the playoffs. he played like garbage. he lost all credibility with the fact that he cannot dribble, making foolish mistakes, and his shot was totally off. his defense is suspect. i feel all he's really good for is his shot...and as good as he is with that shot, i believe with our current additions, we need to give wally a second chance because there will not be so much pressure on him to do much. although, wally is a very cocky guy and claims he is the best on the team, yes, even better than kg. wally should get a chance to co-exist with this new team, if it doesn't work out...send him out before the trade deadline.

Jonathan Watters · 08-06-2003, 07:19 PM

I think people need to settle down about Wally's bad playoff series. It was one series. Didn't he tear up the Mavs 2 years ago? The Lakers keyed on him, and Devean George is the exact type of player that is going to give Wally fits. There arent' many that can defend him better. Wally is going to be just fine, and have a great season in 2004.

da Big Ticket · 08-06-2003, 07:38 PM

Wally streaky?? C'mon the guy shoots 50% from the field

**sheefo13** · 08-06-2003, 09:37 PM

i dont hate wally, he doesnt like shooting anywayz, he likes slashing to the basket. out of all the guys on the team, he wont be able to fit into the game plan. he may be the guy to pull apart the team, i liked wally before but him playing with spree and cassell? that cant happen. hudson and wally in the backcourt was hard enough. that is the reason he struggled in the playoffs. wally hides on the big stage.
c'mon people, u know if it wasnt for hudson picking up his game we wouldve been swept by the lakers. wally couldnt hit the shot and couldnt hold on to the ball. he was averaging 3 turnovers a game. c'mon people.

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