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Old 08-01-2006, 11:36 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I agree with ESPN being crap. I don't watch it anymore. I'll only watch an NBA game if ESPN's on it, but sportscenter is total garbage now, all their shows suck, a live basketball telecast and World Cup Soccer are the only things worthwhile that I saw on ESPN in the past year.
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Er.... okay then. That doesn't stop them from airing re-runs!

I think they did for a little bit, and he may not wanted them to show the old episodes anymore?
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MTV2 just makes fun of MTV now. It's great.
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Meh..everyones ****ting on MTV b/c of what its become in recent years but its had its share of great programing and certainly had a major influence on tv today as we know it. Personally i like a lot of things it has brought to the table despite the fact its gone to hell these days.
Sure, I agree with that. MTV did influence mainstream television, and that influence is still being felt today. But respect for what it once did and nostalgia aren't good enough reasons to watch it. As it is now, it reeks.
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Sure, I agree with that. MTV did influence mainstream television, and that influence is still being felt today. But respect for what it once did and nostalgia aren't good enough reasons to watch it. As it is now, it reeks.
Yeah, I never said I watch it now, although I do occasionally when my attention span is at a lull. I was simply pointing out that when celebrating its 25th anniversery people should recognize that it once was great rather than focusing on the **** its become. Your right that its tough to justify programming they have on there at this point. Then again neither of us fit the criteria of their primary audience anymore so even if we think thier product is **** inevitibly(sp) it doesnt matter b/c really it isn't aimed at us.
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Yeah, MTV and their bias against Shakira can go to hell! Although, Real World/Road Rules Challenge kicks ***.
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I'll relent. MTV in the late 80s-early 90s was one of the most rightfully influential stations ever. With stuff like Headbanger's Ball, Yo MTV Raps, Beavis & Butthead, and other shows that exemplified a youthful spirit of all types. Now, it is rich, white people trying to stay on tv for longer than 15 minutes. Don't even get me started on "Yo Momma". Somebody must have smoked some bad ganja when they greenlighted that project.
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I'll relent. MTV in the late 80s-early 90s was one of the most rightfully influential stations ever. With stuff like Headbanger's Ball, Yo MTV Raps, Beavis & Butthead, and other shows that exemplified a youthful spirit of all types. Now, it is rich, white people trying to stay on tv for longer than 15 minutes. Don't even get me started on "Yo Momma". Somebody must have smoked some bad ganja when they greenlighted that project.
YES "Headbanger's Ball" was a rightfully influential exemplifier of youthful spirit, but "Laguna Beach" is a poison that brainwashes all youth that come into contact with it, turning them into unthinking, unquestioning, consumer cogs in the machine that is THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Your repeated song and dance about how todays culture is "evil" and how that of yesteryear is "good" is pretty annoying and baseless. "Headbanger's Ball" was filled with rich, white bands that were absolutely hedonistic and sexist, bands that lived lives of extreme drug induced excess.

I could give a **** less about Laguna Beach (I'm a fan of The OC personally), but hearing you label TV shows and songs and other crap that you simply don't like as a sign o the times, as an exemplifier of the moral decay that is dragging our society asunder, is absolutely ridiculous.

Since the advent of Television it has been driven by consumerism, this is not new, so get over it. Or as a friend would say, Keep Above.

edit: also, I saw the finale of Yo Momma and it was great. The guy who one, "Harp" or "Carp" or something was absolutely hilarious... best line:

YOUR MOMMA IS SO DUMB WHEN I TOLD HER TO DO THE ROBOT THE ***** GAVE R2-D2 AIDS.

That said, I saw some earlier episodes and they were absolutely atrociously unfunny.
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YES "Headbanger's Ball" was a rightfully influential exemplifier of youthful spirit, but "Laguna Beach" is a poison that brainwashes all youth that come into contact with it, turning them into unthinking, unquestioning, consumer cogs in the machine that is THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Your repeated song and dance about how todays culture is "evil" and how that of yesteryear is "good" is pretty annoying and baseless. "Headbanger's Ball" was filled with rich, white bands that were absolutely hedonistic and sexist, bands that lived lives of extreme drug induced excess.

I could give a **** less about Laguna Beach (I'm a fan of The OC personally), but hearing you label TV shows and songs and other crap that you simply don't like as a sign o the times, as an exemplifier of the moral decay that is dragging our society asunder, is absolutely ridiculous.

Since the advent of Television it has been driven by consumerism, this is not new, so get over it. Or as a friend would say, Keep Above.

edit: also, I saw the finale of Yo Momma and it was great. The guy who one, "Harp" or "Carp" or something was absolutely hilarious... best line:

YOUR MOMMA IS SO DUMB WHEN I TOLD HER TO DO THE ROBOT THE ***** GAVE R2-D2 AIDS.

That said, I saw some earlier episodes and they were absolutely atrociously unfunny.
Do not lecture me on a song and dance. Hmmm I don't like a lot of stuff. According To Jim for example. Everybody Loves Raymond. American Dad. Nearly every sitcom produced in these times. However, none of these shows offer a completely incoherent, arrogant group of younger kids who have no understanding of society or the world as it truly is. Essentially your comment boils down to..."Laguna Beach isn't evil, it's just a product of a consumer-driven economy. Get over it." No, I won't get over it.

This is a brainwashed society. Any television show with value as a work of art or as a modern fable is ignored by the general populace for being "too smart" or "confusing". I urge you to examine the intellectual and social decline of this country over the past 50 years. Name me the most popular bands during the 60s and 70s. Name me the most popular bands during the 90s and 2000s. Am I the only one who sees a difference? Contrast music, movies, literature (oh I forgot nobody reads books anymore). MTV supports the Abercrombie-wearing, sorotity girl-****ing, daddy's BMW-having teenagers and college kids who have no comprehension of reality.

I never claimed that Headbanger's Ball was good. Or that Yo MTV raps was good. Or Beavis and Butthead. But MTV offered a variety of people speaking on a variety of subjects. Some of it was dumb humor, some of it was enlightened insight into the life and times of the youth of a decade ago. I remember an MTV Video Music Awards when Kurt Cobain sang "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" and it was one of the most touching and painful things I've ever heard. Is there a place for that on today's MTV? No, because MTV and radio stations across the country have declared that songs largely based on ice, honeys, Gucci bags, and such is popular. It's spawning a generation of rich, white kids who know only about Paris Hilton's newest sex romp. Perhaps, I'm old (21) and bitter (probably), but my sister has fallen victim to this crap and seems to have lost the ability to think for herself. It concerns me there are millions more just like her who are oblivious to all the beautiful things in life that don't come from money or "reality" television.
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I'm just saying TV has been brainwashing people for 50 years. It isn't a new thing. I agree with your bleak assessment of television, I'm just saying television is known and has always been known as "the idiot box" for a reason. Because it has always had the same effect on people.

I thought Kurt sang "Rape Me" at the VMAs? Also dope.

But I mean there is good music coming out today just as there was 40 years ago. In the book thread me and The Truth are discussing an incredibly awesome author that is walking the Earth currently named William T. Vollmann. Likewise, there are good movies coming out this day in age as well.

edit: Essentially, i don't think you are giving your sister enough credit. i was a pretty stupid **** at age 17. i think most people are. kids aren't likely to base their worldview on "Yo Momma", Panic at the Disco! videos, and Paris Hilton sex tapes, yaknow?
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Do not lecture me on a song and dance. Hmmm I don't like a lot of stuff. According To Jim for example. Everybody Loves Raymond. American Dad. Nearly every sitcom produced in these times. However, none of these shows offer a completely incoherent, arrogant group of younger kids who have no understanding of society or the world as it truly is. Essentially your comment boils down to..."Laguna Beach isn't evil, it's just a product of a consumer-driven economy. Get over it." No, I won't get over it.

This is a brainwashed society. Any television show with value as a work of art or as a modern fable is ignored by the general populace for being "too smart" or "confusing". I urge you to examine the intellectual and social decline of this country over the past 50 years. Name me the most popular bands during the 60s and 70s. Name me the most popular bands during the 90s and 2000s. Am I the only one who sees a difference? Contrast music, movies, literature (oh I forgot nobody reads books anymore). MTV supports the Abercrombie-wearing, sorotity girl-****ing, daddy's BMW-having teenagers and college kids who have no comprehension of reality.

I never claimed that Headbanger's Ball was good. Or that Yo MTV raps was good. Or Beavis and Butthead. But MTV offered a variety of people speaking on a variety of subjects. Some of it was dumb humor, some of it was enlightened insight into the life and times of the youth of a decade ago. I remember an MTV Video Music Awards when Kurt Cobain sang "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" and it was one of the most touching and painful things I've ever heard. Is there a place for that on today's MTV? No, because MTV and radio stations across the country have declared that songs largely based on ice, honeys, Gucci bags, and such is popular. It's spawning a generation of rich, white kids who know only about Paris Hilton's newest sex romp. Perhaps, I'm old (21) and bitter (probably), but my sister has fallen victim to this crap and seems to have lost the ability to think for herself. It concerns me there are millions more just like her who are oblivious to all the beautiful things in life that don't come from money or "reality" television.
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I'm just saying TV has been brainwashing people for 50 years. It isn't a new thing. I agree with your bleak assessment of television, I'm just saying television is known and has always been known as "the idiot box" for a reason. Because it has always had the same effect on people.

I thought Kurt sang "Rape Me" at the VMAs? Also dope.

But I mean there is good music coming out today just as there was 40 years ago. In the book thread me and The Truth are discussing an incredibly awesome author that is walking the Earth currently named William T. Vollmann. Likewise, there are good movies coming out this day in age as well.

edit: Essentially, i don't think you are giving your sister enough credit. i was a pretty stupid **** at age 17. i think most people are. kids aren't likely to base their worldview on "Yo Momma", Panic at the Disco! videos, and Paris Hilton sex tapes, yaknow?
Television has been brainwashing people for 50 years. But I'm making a comparison. Three's Company, Miami Vice, Diff'rent Strokes, I Love Lucy. Even you have to admit that those shows contribute far more worth than Laguna Beach, etc. My point isn't that television is all of the sudden evil. My point is that the Lowest Common Denominator is sinking rapidly. We are infinitely more stupid as a nation than we were 20 years ago. And don't get me wrong there is fantastic movies, books, and music coming out today. Hell I listen, read, and watch most of them. The problem is that stuff isn't getting through to the majority of people. I'll have to check Vollmann out. Can you PM me his work and maybe a little sypnosis of his style.

I think I give my sister too much credit sometimes. She's a smart girl, but I see the stuff she "believes" in and it makes me concerned.
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Kurt did sing "Rape Me" at VMAs, then turned it into Smells like Teen Spirit mid way. I think TShock is thinking about the time they sang that cover on MTV unplugged and it was one of the those moments, especially, considering what he was going through and how emotional he sung it. I think it their last performance on MTV before he killed himself soon after that.
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Kurt did sing "Rape Me" at VMAs, then turned it into Smells like Teen Spirit mid way. I think TShock is thinking about the time they sang that cover on MTV unplugged and it was one of the those moments, especially, considering what he was going through and how emotional he sung it. I think it their last performance on MTV before he killed himself soon after that.
Your right. I'm wrong. I always thought it was the VMAs but it was an MTV Unplugged and it was just incredible. Just pure, raw sadness and pain showing through. Cobain was an incredible artist.
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Re: OT-MTV turns 25

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Originally Posted by T.Shock
Your right. I'm wrong. I always thought it was the VMAs but it was an MTV Unplugged and it was just incredible. Just pure, raw sadness and pain showing through. Cobain was an incredible artist.

Yeah, I even agree with that, not really even being much of a Nirvana fan. I mean I have 2 albums, but I was never a fanatic. I think I may like a song the best that he never put out out on album. It was a b-side or just never had the chance to be released. I think it was on the box set that came out recently. I would say the title though, but I don't think is appropiate to put here..

It would've been interesting if he continued to make music, and that never happened. There were some talk about him getting away from grunge all together. He must've had something good in mind if this were true.
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