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Old 05-14-2009, 01:09 AM   #46 (permalink)
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How wasn't it very good? What wasn't very good about it? What were you expecting and how didn't it meet those expectations?
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From the opening scene it was cheese. Seriously his wife is having his kid while he's "taking one for the team". Cheeeeeeeeeeeeese. Also didn't even look like he needed to take one for the team after they pretty much got away.

Pretty anyone next to the captain gets to be captain. Where's the first captain's kid? His dad "took one for the team" too? Where's his story?

Disgruntled kid because he doesn't have a dad. Cheese.

Same disgruntled kid while not trying is still the smartest, and best student. Cheese.

The music sequences were cheesey too.

The villain was horrible.

Since I don't have any nostalgia at all I can say that old Spoc was horrible. Yeah that's right I didn't see any of the previous 11 Star Trek movies.

I also don't find cheesey one liners funny. Which is what the movie was full of.

Captain gets kidnapped and since Kirk is the closest to the chair he gets to be captain even though he's not even supposed to be on the ship?

Temporary emotional distress causes you to permanently lose your job?

Spoc's mom dies a cheesey death.

etc, etc, etc.

Decent movie? Yes. Good movie? Probably. Great movie? NO.
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Pretty anyone next to the captain gets to be captain. Where's the first captain's kid? His dad "took one for the team" too? Where's his story?
You can't seriously want to know this. Seriously? Really? This is called shifting focus from the story. There's no reason for stuff like this, and it actually makes a lot of movies worse.

Where is the backstory about how the Russian kid came to be the youngest person on the ship? Where are his parents in all of this? I want to see how the kid was raised.

Where is the story behind John Cho's character getting so good at fencing?

Where is the relationship behind Scotty and that funny looking green alien? How did they get to be so close? How was the green alien able to join him on the ship?

Where is the story behind that one dude who jumped out of the ship with John Cho and Chris Pine and fell to his death because he pulled his parachute too late? I want to see how his family reacted to the tragic news. What about his girlfriend? Was she expecting?

What about Captain Pike? Is he crippled now? Is he relegated to a wheelchair the rest of his life? How will his wife and family cope with this new lifestyle? Will their marraige survive?

Come on. You can't stray away like that. The reason we don't know what happened to the first captain's kid is because nobody gives a ****, and they shouldn't.
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In what way? It was well acted, well paced, good dialogue, and was shot beautifully. What's the beef?

I'm sensing the same kind of backlash that happened with The Dark Knight. For some reason, some people just cannot accept mass liking.
I realize you didn't pose this question to me, but I gave some specific criticisms in my last post. And for the record, I loved The Dark Knight, I just thought this movie was really mediocre.
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You can't seriously want to know this. Seriously? Really? This is called shifting focus from the story. There's no reason for stuff like this, and it actually makes a lot of movies worse.

Where is the backstory about how the Russian kid came to be the youngest person on the ship? Where are his parents in all of this? I want to see how the kid was raised.

Where is the story behind John Cho's character getting so good at fencing?

Where is the relationship behind Scotty and that funny looking green alien? How did they get to be so close? How was the green alien able to join him on the ship?

Where is the story behind that one dude who jumped out of the ship with John Cho and Chris Pine and fell to his death because he pulled his parachute too late? I want to see how his family reacted to the tragic news. What about his girlfriend? Was she expecting?

What about Captain Pike? Is he crippled now? Is he relegated to a wheelchair the rest of his life? How will his wife and family cope with this new lifestyle? Will their marraige survive?

Come on. You can't stray away like that. The reason we don't know what happened to the first captain's kid is because nobody gives a ****, and they shouldn't.
Don't forget Scotty's little friend. I was waiting to hear about his second cousin.

I can't really agree with anything that Lakeshow wrote and with comments like "Kirk is the closest to the chair he gets to be captain" makes me believe that he wasn't paying too much attention.

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For me the most ridiculous moment was where Kirk found old Spock on the ice planet. That is a pretty outrageous coincidence, but it isn't some sort of glaring fault that automatically makes a film terrible. Most of these points are minor quibbles that seem come from wanting to find problems with the movie. Spock's Mother's death was cheesy? Seriously? I looked up the definition and it is "Inferior or cheap; Chintzy", which I feel in no way describes a man losing his mother as his home planet collapses in upon itself. I'm not going to bother touching the rest of those.
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I feel really weird being basically the only person on the planet that didn't like this movie. The acting was good, sure, but the storyline was forgettable, the villain was underdeveloped and uninteresting, the alternate timeline concept was needlessly complicated (especially given that it was covering plot material that hadn't yet been covered anyway)... I just don't really get all the hype.
How much more could the villain be developed? He lost his entire planet and blamed Spock, so he exacted his revenge. He was a one dimensional character that I'm glad they didn't spend monologue after monologue developing. I didn't find the plot complicated at all, if anything I was expecting a bit more depth to it. How did you find it needlessly complicated? All in all it was a good plot to re-introduce the franchise.
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From the opening scene it was cheese. Seriously his wife is having his kid while he's "taking one for the team". Cheeeeeeeeeeeeese. Also didn't even look like he needed to take one for the team after they pretty much got away.

Pretty anyone next to the captain gets to be captain. Where's the first captain's kid? His dad "took one for the team" too? Where's his story?

Disgruntled kid because he doesn't have a dad. Cheese.

Same disgruntled kid while not trying is still the smartest, and best student. Cheese.

The music sequences were cheesey too.

The villain was horrible.

Since I don't have any nostalgia at all I can say that old Spoc was horrible. Yeah that's right I didn't see any of the previous 11 Star Trek movies.

I also don't find cheesey one liners funny. Which is what the movie was full of.

Captain gets kidnapped and since Kirk is the closest to the chair he gets to be captain even though he's not even supposed to be on the ship?

Temporary emotional distress causes you to permanently lose your job?

Spoc's mom dies a cheesey death.

etc, etc, etc.

Decent movie? Yes. Good movie? Probably. Great movie? NO.
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How much more could the villain be developed? He lost his entire planet and blamed Spock, so he exacted his revenge. He was a one dimensional character that I'm glad they didn't spend monologue after monologue developing. I didn't find the plot complicated at all, if anything I was expecting a bit more depth to it. How did you find it needlessly complicated? All in all it was a good plot to re-introduce the franchise.
Villains in Star Trek movies, comic book movies, James Bond movies, and any movie based off an 80s cartoon show should have their motivation described as: "Kill everybody because something bad happened to me or I'm just certifiable."

Just a list of classic villains who use this as their primary motive for being an antagonist...

Khan(Star Trek 2)
Cobra Commander(G.I. Joe)
Vigo(Ghostbusters 2)
Dr. No(Bond-Dr. No)
William Stryker(X2)
Megatron(Transformers)(although giant robots really don't need motivation)
The Joker(Dark Knight)

I could keep going. Bana's Nero wasn't a classic by any stretch, but we don't need five-minute monologues explaining how life is so cruel and unfair. He's pissed his home planet was destroyed and his wife and kid were murdered. He blames Spock. He's going to kill Spock and destroy the Federation for revenge.

That's really all you need.
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Lakeshow, that was quite possibly one of the worst posts I've ever read, if not the worst. It's quite obvious you don't know what the word "cheesy" is supposed to mean.

lakeshow? Cheeeeeeeeeese.

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In what way? It was well acted, well paced, good dialogue, and was shot beautifully. What's the beef?
Many of my criticisms have already been voiced by others, but I'll voice some additional ones. The character of Kirk bored me to tears. We were stuck in the well-worn rut of "guy with chip on his shoulder challenges authority" with virtually no additional depth. Spock is the only character given any semblance of development.

So much is inexplicable or out of place. Kirk decides to join Star Fleet hours after adamantly dismissing it? Kirk randomly encounters an old Spock and Scottie? He must illustrate that Spock is emotionally unfit for duty because it's imperative that he captain? What?

The story with the time travel and alternative realities or whatever lost me pretty quickly. I still have very little idea of what went down.

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I could not care less either way.

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Because it's fluff without substance. I enjoyed the spectacle, the adventure, and some of the humor, but this movie is ultimately pretty forgettable. I see Star Trek in the same way I see National Treasure. It can be fun to watch, but it's not great cinema.
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Spock's Mother's death was cheesy? Seriously? I looked up the definition and it is "Inferior or cheap; Chintzy", which I feel in no way describes a man losing his mother as his home planet collapses in upon itself. I'm not going to bother touching the rest of those.
The reason his mother's death was cheesey is because the only reason she died was because of i think it was scottie's inability to beam her up. It wasn't because someone killed her. I'd say that's an "inferior" death.

Also I don't really care about the first captain's kid (if he even had any). The only reason I mention that is because of how many ****** times we hear Kirk's dad is a hero and how everybody knows about him like he's the only one who did anything for the ship.

Also how is it with all the "gifted" and "intelligent" people on the ship only Kirk knows that what's about to happen is the same thing that happened to his dad? Is he the only one who studied history? Oh, but everyone knows the story of his dad and the ship....but can't make the connections like he can? REALLY? (insert SNL clip here)

And yes the music was and is cheesey. Mistimed, inferior and horrible.
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How much more could the villain be developed? He lost his entire planet and blamed Spock, so he exacted his revenge. He was a one dimensional character that I'm glad they didn't spend monologue after monologue developing.
Apparently he could have been developed a lot more if even you're admitting he was one dimensional. But maybe I'm the only one who thinks one dimensional villains are snoozefests. If the character had a little bit of charisma I could maybe let it go, but sheesh, there's just nothing there. I literally cannot remember a single line of his throughout the entire movie. In fact, I can only remember three scenes he was even in, the one at the beginning when Kirk was born, the scene where he explains to Pike what he's doing, and the fight with him and Kirk at the end.

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It's not that the plot was complicated absolutely, it was just needlessly complicated. Through the whole movie I kept wondering why they needed to do it the way they did, why they couldn't have just done it straight, told the story of Kirk becoming the captain of the Enterprise. There's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have created what they did, a well-acted, fast-paced, exciting, but otherwise straightforward and unoriginal action/adventure movie, WITHOUT adding in the complication of it being an alternative timeline, so why did they add it? It doesn't really make sense to me.

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It's Star Trek, man. It's part of the territory.
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Also, it allows for an entirely new timeline with new stories and events, rather than having to remake stories that we've already seen.
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The reason his mother's death was cheesey is because the only reason she died was because of i think it was scottie's inability to beam her up. It wasn't because someone killed her. I'd say that's an "inferior" death.
This makes no sense. Are you seriously rating a minor character's death scene?

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He saved 800 people. Given how shocked the captain at the beginning of the movie was that somebody would have the audacity to attack the federation, I'm sure there aren't too many situations of heroes saving 800 people.

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Only Kirk and Ohura know about the Romulan transmission that Ohura intercepted. Were you even paying attention?

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I'm sure that if created a movie it would be way better than this one.
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I will admit there were a couple of lame things about the movie

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- The chances of Kirk getting randomly kicked off the ship onto the exact planet that Spock was also kicked off (by Nero) are almost slim and none. Even more lame is that Kirk runs into the EXACT ICE CAVE THAT SPOCK IS CHILLING IN FOR NO APPARENT REASON. Who saves him by waving a torch at a gigantic beast that could smash through ice like it was nothing.

- Nero doesn't kill Spock? He just lets him off on some frozen planet so he can watch from a distance? As if the ship didn't have a giant ****ing window for him to watch?

- There was no reason for Captain Pike to board Nero's ship. It did nothing but get him captured. It didn't buy them any time.

- The captain Kirk that died had no reason to stay on the ship. If auto-pilot was broken, how the hell was he able to set a course for it to collide with the ship? You mean to tell me he couldn't have just originally done that and then hopped on an evacuation ship?

- How did Nero known when the original Spock was going to go through the black hole? How did he even know he even went into the black hole? He just waited and assumed 20 years later that Spock would be coming through the black hole?

So yes, there are a lot of plot holes and cheesey lines and stuff. But the movie was entertaining, and I really really liked it. Sometimes you just have to look past that stuff and let yourself go.
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