HB

When one of your movies happens to be the highest grossing movie of all time, you tend to get favors like that.

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jmk

In the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, he won't be getting many more favors like that if Avatar keeps on the way it's going.

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HB

Last I checked Tom Cruise and George Clooney are still making movies. SADLY!!!!

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Boy a lot of critics in here, which to me is a bit nauseating. No offense, of course, I watch movies for very different reasons, and so I tend to be an easy hit. I can watch the most basic action movie like Fast and the Furious, and love it, and than watch Manhattan and totally love it. I do agree not all movies are great. However from the trailer this movie look's epic!! As a child from the early 80s, a teeanger from the late 80s, we believed by the 2000s we would be driving flying cars, and people would live on different planets. I guess some of that child imagination never went away and it's why a movie like this Avatar looks so mouthwatering good to me.

jmk

Tom Cruise isn't a film director, hbwoy, and George Clooney has only directed 2 films, neither of which came even close to being in the same universe as $300 million. And one of those movies, a black and white period piece which had a budget of $7.5 million, made about $55 million at the box office (in addition to being nominated for 6 Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Actor, and, watch out, Best Director).

I know it's nothing new, but really, did you have a point there? Or is James Cameron playing one of those smurfs in Avatar and I'm just unaware of it?

P.S. It hasn't been, you know, 12 years since Tom Cruise or George Clooney made a movie.

P.P.S. If you still don't get it, there is no comparison to be made here, in any way whatsoever.

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Pay Ton

If somebody has been pimping this movie out as the definitive CGI film of our times, I'm not going to sit here and be like, "Aw shuckers golly, well I just really like cool special effects. That's enough for me." It's not. They're selling me a hot dog and they're saying it's the best hot dog I've ever had, so when I eat it, if it's just "good", that's not enough. They shouldn't have told me it was the best.

And I don't see how anybody can say those stills of the blue creature look at all real. It looks like an impressive video game. I'm still going to watch the movie, because I haven't seen nearly enough, and despite the look I'm still somewhat optimistic about the project in general, but I'm not going to concede to some silly notion that I should just like what I'm chewing and shut up about it.

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Prince

I know it is meant for 3-D so it may look better that way. However, I know the budget for this movie is insane, so Cameron has the potential of losing a ton of money on this movie, which would affect the rest of career in Hollywood.

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Oooo I didnt know we were only talking about movie directors, I'd think movie producers and movie stars would fall into the category of 'the what have you done for me lately crowd'. How dare me lump them together? As for Clooney I wasnt even talking about him as a director, its the fact that a couple of his recent movies have bombed, yet he keeps getting jobs. How the **** does that not go against your 'what have you done lately' point?

Everything else you talked about is jibberish. Cameron's a big name producer/director. If he wanted to make movies I doubt he has any problem doing that. The guy's been making this one movie for the past 4 to 5 years, thats why he hasn't been churning out stuff.

I am looking at his IMDB profile and it says he is directing another movie called Battle Angel soon and he's got other projects as a producer. For a guy who hasn't done much 'lately' he seems to be doing well for himself.

P.S. I dont even like these guys you always make me defend.

Who's the somebody? Come on people, admit it, not all of you knew about this movie till recently. Redsdrunk was the first person to mention it on here. I dont recall anyone saying its going to be the best CGI movie ever made.

Okay fine, the blue guys looked corny, but what about the rest of the trailer? You all are nitpicking one part of the trailer and ignoring the others which look damn good. My only problem with this is that it looks like something you'd find in any big budget video game right now. Cameron might have been better off making a video game rather than movie. There's an avatar game btw.

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jmk

Which movies of his bombed? Burn After Reading did over $160 million worldwide. Leatherheads didn't do great, but no one expected it to. Michael Clayton did about $93 million, and Ocean's Thirteen did $311 million worldwide. So, what are you even talking about? In the "what have you done for me lately" category, Clooney has done pretty well.

As for Cruise, Valkyrie made $200 million worldwide. Tropic Thunder $188 million. Lions For Lambs, a political movie, didn't do great, but it still pulled out $63 million. That's the closest he has come to a bomb in recent years. MI3 made $400 million worldwide, and for all the **** that gets talked about War of the Worlds, it still made almost $600 million worldwide.

So seriously, what the hell are you talking about, man?

And what about the 8 years before that? When you take 12 years between movies, and your new movie is costing $300 million, and is supposed to be revolutionary, when its trailer gets the reaction it got, its not a good thing. When you take 12 years between movies, and your new movie is costing $300 million, and is supposed to be revolutionary, and it turns out that the main characters look like cartoons, its not promising.

James Cameron is going to have a lot of trouble ever getting this much money to make a movie again if Avatar follows the path it is on. Plain and simple.


Uh, yeah, that's bull****. This movie has been hyped up bigger and bigger in the movie world for a loooong time. One of my buds has been talking about it incessantly for the past year or two. It's no surprise that when I asked him what he thought of the trailer, he was horribly disappointed.

You don't read any film or movie sites, then.

Um, the blue guys are the main characters, guy. If they look corny, that's not called nitpicking, that's called pointing out a major, major problem.

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To think that Avatar won't pull in 300million worldwide is silly. It will make 600-700million if it's decent. If it's awesome, it can probably gross 900million+. Transformers is a big steaming pile of **** and made more than $300million in the first two weeks. As for the reactions to the trailer/screenings this guy summed it up pretty well.

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"The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly"

jmk

After advertising and other costs, pulling in $300 million would mean this movie lost a ****load of money.

Word of mouth is essential in today's film world. If the word of mouth of the film is the same as that of the trailer, Avatar won't be making $600-$700 million.

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Hyperion

Like I said, Transformers 2. And the budget includes advertising.

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"The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly"

HB

all of a sudden worldwide numbers matter, I am pretty sure you've used that argument against me before. Somehow its not so trivial anymore I guess. Nice one jmk. You know darn well thats not what I meant. Clooney and Cruise simply arent bringing in the crowds domestically as they used to.

Michael Clayton- Domestic box office $49 million
Leatherheads- Domestic box office $31 million
Unfortunately couldn't find burn after reading, but I'd be shocked if its taken over $60 mill domestic.

Whoop de damn doo about the total world wide combines, lol of course thats going to bring in a decent haul, but clearly these guys arent doing so hot domestically. The ocean's movies had some other stars too, so lets not act like Clooney was solely responsible for the big numbers. Cruise wasnt the star of Tropic Thunder and wasn't billed as such, nice try buddy.

These guys are supposed to be the A-list stars, the big number guys, doesnt look like they can get Americans to watch their movies to me.

I am thinking when all is said and done Cameron's Avatar will bring in at least $500 mill 'worldwide'.

I dont know what to say about everything else in that post of yours jmk, until the movie comes out, you nor I can only guess as to how well it will or wont do.

We dont even know if the Blue guys are the main characters considering they gave us so many random parts of the movie.

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Pay Ton

It's James Cameron's first movie since Titanic, which was the highest grossing movie in the world, and it has a budget of 300 million. We've all known about this movie for quite a while. Just because we didn't share the excitement about it that we share about other movies we're looking forward to, doesn't mean we didn't know this project was out there.

And it has been pimped as the movie with revolutionary CGI, if you read any film articles going into Comic-Con you would understand the level of anticipation this movie had as the "definitive" CGI of our times.

From my understanding, we're going to follow the blue guys for most of the film.

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HB

Jmk was right, I dont read movie sites, but just for the fact that we are on here arguing about this movie, I can only imagine such convos are going on all over the place, meaning this guy is generating buzz for his movie, like it or not.

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