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Old 07-20-2011, 12:11 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Federales, or Gus' guys dressed as Federales? That part hasn't been confirmed, and leaves the audience in the dark about Gus' connections in Mexico. He's a multi-millionaire after all. He's got dozens of people working for him.
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I guess that's true. I suppose both interpretations are valid. I don't think we'll find out more about that.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:39 AM   #138 (permalink)
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They do flashbacks in the show, but this point is better left ambiguous. Adds more mystery.

If it was the Federales, then it meant Gus relied on the authorites' abilities to hunt down the Cartel. If it was Gus' guys, then it meant that Gus ordered the boss killed right after the twin was killed. He knew the repercussions of Mike's hit, so he acted preemptively. The 2nd option seems to fit Gus' personality more, as he's not leaving anything to chance.

BTW, Gus has just become one of the most awesome characters on TV after the last episode. He's on some American Psycho ****.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:23 AM   #139 (permalink)
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Yeah totally. You only see that kind of stuff in movies like Hostel, or just hear rumors or stories in stuff that isn't torture porn. To watch a main character who's a mild mannered businessman slaughter a guy with a box cutter like he was butchering a cow is amazing. And he didn't say a single word.
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I don't think Gus had a favorite henchman, and he was mad at both of them. If Mike was the one who ran to the scene, it would've been him. I'm thinking it was more for the failure to protect assets than being seen.
There's no reason for Gus to have been mad at Mike though. Victor was the one who blew it at the scene. Mike was at the factory the whole time.

And Mike is just more qualified than Victor or anyone else in their crew. You could tell from that scene awhile back where he went into that trailer and killed a whole crew almost bored like he was brushing his teeth that Mike is a different level of killer. As well as a PI with connects. He's not a henchman, and he's not vulnerable.

Gus kills Victor and just hires another guy that's quick with his gun. He kills Mike and he's out of a valuable resource as far as his PI knowledge and connects and his ability to get the dirty work done. If Gus suddenly had a new Mike it wouldn't be true to it. Gus needs to trust you 100%.

You can't just find another one of those guys tomorrow and attach him to your hip if you're smart anyway. I wouldn't think Gus would be that dumb, they clearly have years together. Now depending on what happens with an impending investigation Gus might try to get rid of everyone and flee but that'd be anticlimactic.

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As for Jesse, Gus probably thinks he's a threat and must be killed. From what we know of the cautious Gus, he seems likely to remove what he can't control. Unless, in an great character-developing twist, Gus sees Jesse as Victor's replacement.
Nah..Gus respected that look in Jesse juxtaposed with Walt looking like he was having a heart attack. From the scene with Walt talking his way out of the jam and Jesse not saying anything to the scene with Jesse staring all crazy and Walt about to cry there was a clear brain and brawn distinction they were trying to show. And Walt said he wouldn't cook without Jesse, and I believe him. Gus is stuck with both of them.

I just wonder how much there's really left for Walt and Jesse to do dirty work wise. I mean they're clearly in Gus' organization now, all the other **** they did was self preservation, but noone's going to mess with them anymore, and Gus has professional people for that anyway.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:06 PM   #141 (permalink)
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There's no reason for Gus to have been mad at Mike though. Victor was the one who blew it at the scene. Mike was at the factory the whole time.

And Mike is just more qualified than Victor or anyone else in their crew. You could tell from that scene awhile back where he went into that trailer and killed a whole crew almost bored like he was brushing his teeth that Mike is a different level of killer. As well as a PI with connects. He's not a henchman, and he's not vulnerable.
Did Mike tell Gus who went to the scene? Don't remember what he said over the phone. You'd think the boss would be mad at both of them, as they're supposed to work as a team to take care of ****. In reality if a boss hears about a ****up, he doesn't want middle management pointing fingers at each other.

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Nah..Gus respected that look in Jesse juxtaposed with Walt looking like he was having a heart attack. From the scene with Walt talking his way out of the jam and Jesse not saying anything to the scene with Jesse staring all crazy and Walt about to cry there was a clear brain and brawn distinction they were trying to show. And Walt said he wouldn't cook without Jesse, and I believe him. Gus is stuck with both of them.

I just wonder how much there's really left for Walt and Jesse to do dirty work wise. I mean they're clearly in Gus' organization now, all the other **** they did was self preservation, but noone's going to mess with them anymore, and Gus has professional people for that anyway.
Or Gus was using that scene to judge who's a threat. Jesse is looking like he's gonna find a way to get Gus, while Walt is looking terrified. So if Gus can't control Jesse, he might get rid of him to be safe. If Walt doesn't hear about it that is. It's another way to look at it.

If you're right, then I hope Jesse becomes the new Victor. Not the silent, tough guy look but a wild, unpredictable type.
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Did Mike tell Gus who went to the scene? Don't remember what he said over the phone. You'd think the boss would be mad at both of them, as they're supposed to work as a team to take care of ****. In reality if a boss hears about a ****up, he doesn't want middle management pointing fingers at each other.
It's one of those things that's implied. You know damn well after Mike and Victor's conversation Mike told the boss what all happened. And it's not about pointing fingers, it's about Mike telling him he was at the scene and was seen and didn't get any of the incriminating evidence. You know Mike and Gus know Gale had some kind of formula written up, he wasn't Jay-Z memorizing this ****. That's why Victor had to go. He proved incompetent there.

I don't understand what Mike should have to be scared of or what he did wrong in the last season finale or in the opening of this episode for people to realize it's not about anything but Victor ****ing up.

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Or Gus was using that scene to judge who's a threat. Jesse is looking like he's gonna find a way to get Gus, while Walt is looking terrified. So if Gus can't control Jesse, he might get rid of him to be safe. If Walt doesn't hear about it that is. It's another way to look at it.
But the primary way to look at it is Gus seeing Jesse's bloodlust after popping Gale and respecting it as an asset. Jesse had that monkey on his back. Remember those two junkies he couldn't kill, the guy who took his RV and kicked him out when he couldn't pay, he's been pushed around all series and he finally had that moment that changed him.

As far as Jesse trying to take over, or Gus feeling threatened, that's incredibly naive. Gus has the cartels, crooked police and feds, money and influence that Jesse and Walt could never have and don't have enough know how to attain. Gus is about as threatened of Jesse as a lion of a cockroach. Jesse is ambitious and wild but he's not stupid enough to think he could control the meth trade in like 3-4 states. He couldn't even control Turtle's punk ass.

Any old joe can't kill someone like that and just fill his shoes, Gus is too big and well entrenched for that, otherwise me or you could just build a multimillion dollar multinational drug organization tomorrow.

And then you have to figure Gus is the only thing keeping Mexico off Walt's ass anyway, and with him out of the way hypothetically they'd be done in a week.

The show at this point is about them trying to maneuver into a position to serve him without looking over their shoulders, not trying to overtake him.

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Meh. Victor was just a soldier to me. I don't understand why people act like he was even a factor.
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I don't see Jesse becoming Victor for Gus. That would be a weird twist. But I can see in the future Walt becoming Gus, Hank becoming Mike and Jesse becomin Victor. With Jesse ****ing up and Walt killing him. That's a while down the road of course.

Also Dre, what's the reference of Jesse couldn't control Turtle??
Turle was the cartel snitch (played by Danny Trejo), I don't remember Jesse having any interaction with his character.
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Who's the weirdo white guy with the little mop top Jesse was dealing with...I forgot his name I thought it was turtle for some reason
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Oh and I can't stand Skylar. **** that bitch there's barely anything redeeming to me about her. She was always annoying to me but that scene with the old guy took it to a new low. That might've been cute or funny to people but it's proof along with other things she's done she's down to do anything for her agenda to be met. Buckethead soccer mom
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But the primary way to look at it is Gus seeing Jesse's bloodlust after popping Gale and respecting it as an asset. Jesse had that monkey on his back. Remember those two junkies he couldn't kill, the guy who took his RV and kicked him out when he couldn't pay, he's been pushed around all series and he finally had that moment that changed him.
I didn't mean a power grab, but more like murdering out of survival instinct. Jesse is looking like he wants to kill Gus there. Even Mike was scared for a bit, but he's not as unhinged as Jesse.

If you look at his change, it's been an ongoing process for Jesse to get comfortable to doing that type of work. He's dumped bodies since, he's broken into places past armed guards (stealing the barrel for cooking), and he carried out a hit for Walt. Makes sense for him to work with guns more.

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Meh. Victor was just a soldier to me. I don't understand why people act like he was even a factor.
He was the first guy Walt meets when he goes looking for Gus, that's why.

BTW the dealers are Combo and Pete. Combo's the fat one.

Skylar is turning into a mob wife. She's a very important reflection of Walt.
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I didn't mean a power grab, but more like murdering out of survival instinct. Jesse is looking like he wants to kill Gus there. Even Mike was scared for a bit, but he's not as unhinged as Jesse.

If you look at his change, it's been an ongoing process for Jesse to get comfortable to doing that type of work. He's dumped bodies since, he's broken into places past armed guards (stealing the barrel for cooking), and he carried out a hit for Walt. Makes sense for him to work with guns more.
And for the 18th time its just the new Jesse after making his bones. He enjoys that type of thing, that relationship is less acrimonious than Walt and Gus.

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Meaning he's the first rung of the organization. He ain't ****.

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She's not even with Walt. She's not a reflection because she's not doing **** but for her own individual gain.
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Badger.

BTW, Gus doesn't have the Cartels at all. When he warned Hank about the incoming attack from the Salamanca Cousins, had Mike kill the surviving one in the hospital, and then had "Hefe" killed in Mexico he went to war with them. As I've said, this has been explained at least twice explicitly. Gus pushed the Cartel out of the Southwest because all they were providing for him was smuggled meth he had to purchase. Once he got his lab up and running he made a power play and so far it has worked. At the end of Season 3 when Mike went commando style, he did it because 4 Cartel guys had taken Gus' chemical supplier hostage. He told Gus those guys weren't the A-Team, but the Cartel is testing the waters.

However, it occurs to me that the only people in the Cartel who wanted Walt dead were relatives of Tuco, so perhaps they don't care about him anymore. And then again, I think Don Tito might still be at large with his wheelchair and bell.
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And for the 18th time its just the new Jesse after making his bones. He enjoys that type of thing, that relationship is less acrimonious than Walt and Gus.
I wouldn't say he enjoys it. I'd say he reluctantly gets used to it.

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She's not even with Walt. She's not a reflection because she's not doing **** but for her own individual gain.
Victor is definitely not 'first rung'. First rung guys are the guys who pack the **** into the chicken batter. Victor was the supervisor of the manufacturing plant, which is a $100 million operation. He was the guy to deliver money and take people to Gus. He was the main guy between Gus and his meth business.

You don't get some rookie this many responsibilities.

Skylar's important though. Part of the show is about how Walt's life deteriorates with his double life, and how he influences others. Pretty soon you're gonna see Walt Jr getting into some more trouble.
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Badger.

BTW, Gus doesn't have the Cartels at all. When he warned Hank about the incoming attack from the Salamanca Cousins, had Mike kill the surviving one in the hospital, and then had "Hefe" killed in Mexico he went to war with them. As I've said, this has been explained at least twice explicitly. Gus pushed the Cartel out of the Southwest because all they were providing for him was smuggled meth he had to purchase. Once he got his lab up and running he made a power play and so far it has worked. At the end of Season 3 when Mike went commando style, he did it because 4 Cartel guys had taken Gus' chemical supplier hostage. He told Gus those guys weren't the A-Team, but the Cartel is testing the waters.

However, it occurs to me that the only people in the Cartel who wanted Walt dead were relatives of Tuco, so perhaps they don't care about him anymore. And then again, I think Don Tito might still be at large with his wheelchair and bell.
He has a more familiar relationship with any of them. Whatever disharmony they're in for the moment they respect him enough to sit tight. Criminal organizations work together in a shallow manner. For the moment you might not **** with a guy, but as soon as that money is back available to you you're working again. Who's to say what the future holds.

But you think they'd give Jesse or Walt a day before they smashed them?

And you say Tuco's relatives don't care anymore, who's to say they care about the Salamanca cousins?

Whatever people are talking about with Walt and/or Jesse taking over or killing Gus is just retarded. This discussion is going into a million different branches that's not worth discussing or meandering into, but the fact is Gus isn't susceptible to Jesse or Walt, and if that situation did occur the show would jump the shark in terms of realism.

It reminds me of when naive Wire fans were talking about Michael could take over Marlo's operation just because he was against him. There's an element of entertainment and suspense sure, but there's also a reflection of reality going on.

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