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Old 08-28-2007, 01:16 PM   #76 (permalink)
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This season has sucked..Seriously what a horrible start to the season so far the only thing that keeps me watching is E and Ari/Mrs.Ari/Lloyd...Drama has his moments but he is dull and boring imo now when is he gonna go back to work on his show? Also they just need to get rid of Turtle or give him a storyline that stick i mean what happen to his Record Lable and that girl he had last season? And Vince...Wow he is making Another movie with Billy are they really already running out of storyline for him? I cant believe how far this show has fallen since the first 2 seasons
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The bloody hell? I feel like smacking E off my television every week, he has been by far the worst part of the show for me.
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I just started watching near the end of season 3 I think and have been watching since. I really like the show and this weeks episode was awesome. A couple of the episodes prior to this one have been meh though.
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The bloody hell? I feel like smacking E off my television every week, he has been by far the worst part of the show for me.
Really? Me i would like to smack Vince and Billy off my tv...I have liked E storyline lately him becomming Anna Faris manager and him telling Anna that he think Billy script sucks..Its kinda sucks that Anna fire him though because i always like seeing Anna Faris on my tv
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Really? Me i would like to smack Vince and Billy off my tv...I have liked E storyline lately him becomming Anna Faris manager and him telling Anna that he think Billy script sucks..Its kinda sucks that Anna fire him though because i always like seeing Anna Faris on my tv
Lol we all like and dislike different parts of the show. I mean I would have liked to see hook up with Anna Faris but the whole manager thing was pretty boring. Especially in the episode a couple of weeks ago when she was doing her photo shoot. They built the whole episode around the K-Fed wannabe guy just so she could say at the end "stop talking like Randy Jackson". That episode sucked.
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Damn, E gets his "I told you so" moment..
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Damn, E gets his "I told you so" moment..
There are no consequences in Entourage fantasy land so chances are by the final minute of the 1st or 2nd episode it'll "be all good" as trouble never lasts in the show without substance.
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Damn pass me some of that haterade.

Folk treating Entourage like it is LOST or The Wire, I don't watch it for the same reasons I do more serious shows
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Damn pass me some of that haterade.

Folk treating Entourage like it is LOST or The Wire, I don't watch it for the same reasons I do more serious shows
I hate on it more than most other shows because I liked it so much at one point.Looking back then and then looking to where the shows at now....well its like more and more of a continuous dissapointment with every declining season. It's not like I don't understand the purpose of the show and of course I recognize it's not goin to be in the same vein as something like the Wire becuase it never was intended to be.

Thats not the problem. The problem is that there are no consequences and thus the show never gains any depth. It's shallow...and not in the way it's supposed to be a.l.a. hollywood boobs, toys and fine living. Make the events in your story mean something. Make them have some sort of effect on the charaters. It's here where the show becomes a sitcom. When any sort of conflict arises its never affective at all because the audience knows by episodes end (usually in the closing few moments of any given episode) that everything will be worked out for the better.


The show had everything going for it during the fueding period between Ari and Malcom McDowel's character and earlier during the Vince and E phase of buisiness ****ing with the tight group dynamic. The show has shown flashes of great moments since then a.l.a. the entire Almost famous valley party ep but for the most part it's lost a lot of its luster. The premise got tired and the show is really feeling the effects. Maybe I just expect too much from HBO.

You make it out like we are holding it to unrealistic standards of other shows when in actuallity we are( me at least) holding it to the standard of qaulity it displayed in its earlier seasons. When you set the bar high you raise your audiences expectations and when you fail to meet those expectations you tend to see a lot dissapointment. Thats where the hate comes from.
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Ehhh

Those are some decent explanations, but I dunno. I did think the stories were better at the beginning, but I don't think it was because the characters had more depth or anything along those lines. I just thought the jokes were funnier. Theres still been enough funny moments this season too, otherwise I wouldnt be posting in this thread.
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Ehhh

Those are some decent explanations, but I dunno. I did think the stories were better at the beginning, but I don't think it was because the characters had more depth or anything along those lines. I just thought the jokes were funnier. Theres still been enough funny moments this season too, otherwise I wouldnt be posting in this thread.
Even when its pretty ****ty entourage is still better than the majority of stuff out there. I'm as bad as anyone. I've had this argument like 90 times with friends who feel the same way as you do where I talk smack about it but sure enough I end up watching it every sunday. Hahah maybe I just like to ***** and rant.
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Really? Me i would like to smack Vince and Billy off my tv...
Why does everyone ignore the truly despicable character on that show, Johnny? There is absolutely nothing redeeming about him, at all. AT ALL. The way he speaks makes me seriously want to punch him in the Adam's Apple. The writers of The Simpsons have repeatedly pointed out that it's very hard to write characters meant to be in some way unpleasant without inadvertantly turning the audience off to that character; for example, it's hard to write boring, drawn-out Grandpa stories that aren't actually boring. The writers of Entourage just aren't good enough to overcome this problem. Their obnoxious characters, Johnny and Turtle, really just come off as obnoxious, although Jerry Ferrara manages to keep Turtle only moderately annoying.

I absolutely refuse to refer to Johnny by his reprehensibly stupid nickname which, for some reason, the writers forgot was obviously written to be a joke meant to be ridiculed, laughed at, and probably used only sparingly, not to be some cutesy pet name. In fact, I've always thought it was pretty idiotic for all four main characters to have stupid pet names we're supposed to use when we refer to them. I will not call Eric "E" because that's the kind of crappy nickname that retarded high school football players give each other. I only reluctantly call Turtle "Turtle" because, unless I missed it (and I may have, I only watch sparingly nowadays), they haven't given his real name. And as for Vince, can we PLEASE stop calling him "Vin" and "Vinnie"? I mean, honestly, who goes by "Vinnie" anymore? He's not an Italian auto mechanic from New York in the 1970s.
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Why does everyone ignore the truly despicable character on that show, Johnny? There is absolutely nothing redeeming about him, at all. AT ALL. The way he speaks makes me seriously want to punch him in the Adam's Apple. The writers of The Simpsons have repeatedly pointed out that it's very hard to write characters meant to be in some way unpleasant without inadvertantly turning the audience off to that character; for example, it's hard to write boring, drawn-out Grandpa stories that aren't actually boring. The writers of Entourage just aren't good enough to overcome this problem. Their obnoxious characters, Johnny and Turtle, really just come off as obnoxious, although Jerry Ferrara manages to keep Turtle only moderately annoying.

I absolutely refuse to refer to Johnny by his reprehensibly stupid nickname which, for some reason, the writers forgot was obviously written to be a joke meant to be ridiculed, laughed at, and probably used only sparingly, not to be some cutesy pet name. In fact, I've always thought it was pretty idiotic for all four main characters to have stupid pet names we're supposed to use when we refer to them. I will not call Eric "E" because that's the kind of crappy nickname that retarded high school football players give each other. I only reluctantly call Turtle "Turtle" because, unless I missed it (and I may have, I only watch sparingly nowadays), they haven't given his real name. And as for Vince, can we PLEASE stop calling him "Vin" and "Vinnie"? I mean, honestly, who goes by "Vinnie" anymore? He's not an Italian auto mechanic from New York in the 1970s.
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Why does everyone ignore the truly despicable character on that show, Johnny? There is absolutely nothing redeeming about him, at all. AT ALL. The way he speaks makes me seriously want to punch him in the Adam's Apple. The writers of The Simpsons have repeatedly pointed out that it's very hard to write characters meant to be in some way unpleasant without inadvertantly turning the audience off to that character; for example, it's hard to write boring, drawn-out Grandpa stories that aren't actually boring. The writers of Entourage just aren't good enough to overcome this problem. Their obnoxious characters, Johnny and Turtle, really just come off as obnoxious, although Jerry Ferrara manages to keep Turtle only moderately annoying.

I absolutely refuse to refer to Johnny by his reprehensibly stupid nickname which, for some reason, the writers forgot was obviously written to be a joke meant to be ridiculed, laughed at, and probably used only sparingly, not to be some cutesy pet name. In fact, I've always thought it was pretty idiotic for all four main characters to have stupid pet names we're supposed to use when we refer to them. I will not call Eric "E" because that's the kind of crappy nickname that retarded high school football players give each other. I only reluctantly call Turtle "Turtle" because, unless I missed it (and I may have, I only watch sparingly nowadays), they haven't given his real name. And as for Vince, can we PLEASE stop calling him "Vin" and "Vinnie"? I mean, honestly, who goes by "Vinnie" anymore? He's not an Italian auto mechanic from New York in the 1970s.
Drama is my favorite character! He's so delusional from his small taste of fame that he can't accept that he's not at all useful. Because he can't earn money, he makes up for it by trying to be the older wiser one in the group. There are those people in many groups of people. The guy that has to know everything about everything and knows nothing at all and just ends up looking like a ******* as he tries to tell everyone how to do this or that but never really succeeds at it. It's tough to develop a character. The Simpson's characters weren't really truly fleshed out until the 4th or 5th seasons. It takes a while to figure out who the character is and have this totally imaginary person become a real person. Since the first season there has been remarkable advancements in the characters' depth. Ari was a snakey *******. Now he's just a *******. They toned down turtle's annoyingness and increased Eric's responsibility. I like where the characters are going.
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Drama is my favorite character! He's so delusional from his small taste of fame that he can't accept that he's not at all useful. Because he can't earn money, he makes up for it by trying to be the older wiser one in the group. There are those people in many groups of people. The guy that has to know everything about everything and knows nothing at all and just ends up looking like a ******* as he tries to tell everyone how to do this or that but never really succeeds at it.
And aren't those people incredibly obnoxious? You don't find ridiculous misadventures like "today I'm going to follow around a guy at a party because I like looking at his calves," or "today I'm going to piss and moan about my lavish accomodations like the stereotype I am," just a tiny bit annoying? There's nothing even remotely funny about something like looking at a sculpture and saying it's an example of pointillism, like "Jason Pollock". It's not like it's funny because it's idiotic... it's so paralyzingly stupid and pointless that it just really comes off as irritating.

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Since the first season there has been remarkable advancements in the characters' depth. Ari was a snakey *******. Now he's just a *******. They toned down turtle's annoyingness and increased Eric's responsibility. I like where the characters are going.
This really is just a ridiculous claim. The whole problem with Entourage is that there is no growth at all, with the possible exception of Eric. Lots of stuff has happened to the characters, but that's not development. The fact that Turtle has had a semi girlfriend in a couple of episodes doesn't change the fact that every single Turtle joke involves pot or the fact that he needs Vince for women to talk to him. The fact that Johnny got a job doesn't change the fact that every single Johnny joke involves his misguided arrogance or his subtle jealousy of his brother.

A lot of the insights we get into the characters just prove lazy writing, as well. What about when Johnny says "you got your mom's legs, I got Dad's!" and we learn the next season that Vince and Johnny have the same mother? What about in the pilot when Ari says he's having an affair with the SI swimsuit cover model, and then later the writer's decide to claim Ari has always been faithful to his wife? It's lazy writing. In the season 4 premiere, when Billy tells Eric he wants a rewrite, Eric tells the interviewer they're supposed to start shooting in three days, and even suggests they shut down for a week to work on the ending. Then literally three minutes later in the episode, they show the first day of shooting and a caption appears that says "eight weeks later." In another episode, Terrence easily schedules a meeting for Vince to meet Tarantino which Ari can't get, but if Terrence is Ari's boss and Terrence is not an active member of the agency, wouldn't that mean Tarantino's agent is Ari... or at the very least, Ari is acquainted with him? Just watch the episodes with a close eye and you'll start to see that they're absolutely full of inconsistencies like these. One or two is managable, but after a while you start to realize it's just a very shoddy product being carried by a continually interesting premise and a great acting job by Jeremy Piven.
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