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Old 01-30-2008, 12:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: TWO Hobbit movies? From John Scalzi's Whatever

An update: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...fae087024a2b8e

Can't really argue against Guillermo del Toro
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Del Toro is overrated . He ruined Blade 2 and Hellboy was boring
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Blade 2 was going to be crap any which way. I didn't mind Hellboy, though I'm a little leery of the sequel.
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Re: TWO Hobbit movies? From John Scalzi's Whatever

I liked Blade 2, mainly because of the delicious Leonor Varela. Hellboy was fun. Hellboy 2 will probably be fun. And El laberinto del fauno was far and away the best movie of 2006. So I don't think Del Toro is overrated based on that movie alone.

Imagining a sequel to The Hobbit is a stupid, stupid idea.
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The Devil's Backbone is another solid Del Toro flick.
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I really like his style. I think he'll add that necessary dimension to the story that will make it more realistic and enjoyable to watch without it being cheesy. I like the choice of director on this!
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Re: TWO Hobbit movies? From John Scalzi's Whatever

I think Del Toro would be a great choice. The temptation with the Hobbit is probably to make the movie overly childish, which would not work out well considering the other LOTR films. I think Del Toro showed with Pan's Labyrinth that he knows how to mix the childlike with the grown-up.
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I want to see how he envisions Smaug. How cool will those scenes be?
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Imagining a sequel to The Hobbit is a stupid, stupid idea.
I highly doubt Jackson & Co will simply dream something up. Tolkien has written a wealth of material about the Middle Earth, including stuff about the time between Bilbo returning home and Frodo's departure. A lot of it focuses on Gandalf & the other wizards but I think there is plenty of material to work off of and still maintain a (somewhat) faithful adaptation of the source material.
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Re: TWO Hobbit movies? From John Scalzi's Whatever

Del Toro is also rumored to be making a HP Lovecraft movie. I know that's gotta interest KAS
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I highly doubt Jackson & Co will simply dream something up. Tolkien has written a wealth of material about the Middle Earth, including stuff about the time between Bilbo returning home and Frodo's departure. A lot of it focuses on Gandalf & the other wizards but I think there is plenty of material to work off of and still maintain a (somewhat) faithful adaptation of the source material.
I thought of that, too, but the press release said it would be completely made up by Jackson, et al. I think that's dumb.

I also don't know if Tolkien ever explicitly addressed the events between "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings." There's the 12-volume History of Middle Earth (edited by his son Christopher) and some other stuff but, to my knowledge, there isn't anything re: Bilbo, etc. simply because it's taken care of in the first scenes of FOTR: Bilbo lived an extraordinarily long (for a hobbit) and quiet life post-"The Hobbit". The implication is that everything was quiet between the two books (I'm sure stuff was happening but it's clearly not important to the narrative of either story).
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to my knowledge, there isn't anything re: Bilbo, etc. simply because it's taken care of in the first scenes of FOTR: Bilbo lived an extraordinarily long (for a hobbit) and quiet life post-"The Hobbit". The implication is that everything was quiet between the two books (I'm sure stuff was happening but it's clearly not important to the narrative of either story).
nah there was plenty of important stuff happening in the narrative from almost every angle. simply because bilbo is living phat in bag-end doesn't mean there isn't tons of wheels in motion in other (much more important) parts of the narrative. ****, even in bag-end there stuff happening. As Frodo is coming of age his parents die, for example.

# 2951 - Estel, later known as Aragorn, comes of age and is told about his heritage; the Corsairs of Umbar officially ally themselves with Mordor and destroy great monument commemorating Ar-Pharazôn's victory over Sauron
# 2953 - Last meeting of the White Council. Fengel, fifteenth king of Rohan, dies. His son Thengel returns to Rohan to succeed him.
# 2956 - Aragorn first meets Gandalf the Grey
# 2957-2980 - Aragorn as Thorongil serves in the armies of King Thengel of Rohan, and Steward Ecthelion II of Gondor

# September 22, 2968 - Frodo Baggins is born
# 2978 - Boromir is born
# 2980 - Arwen pledges her hand in marriage to Aragorn; Frodo Baggins loses both of his parents in a boating accident; Aragorn, in the service of the Steward of Gondor Ecthelion II leads a taskforce south and kills the Captain of the Haven, ruler of Umbar; Samwise Gamgee born;[14] Théoden, son of Thengel, becomes seventeenth king of Rohan after the death of his father.
# 2982 - Birth of Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry)
# 2983 - Birth of Faramir
# 2989 - Frodo Baggins comes under the guardianship of Bilbo Baggins; a company of Dwarves, led by Balin, try to recolonize Moria
# 2990 - Birth of Peregrin Took (Pippin)
# 2991 - Birth of Éomer
# 2994 - Balin is killed; the dwarf-colony in Moria is destroyed
# 2995 - Birth of Éowyn

so yeah, fair amount of notable **** to work off of in that timeline

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stuff in the hobbit that is alluded to but not fully explained [Mirkwood being all ****ed up because Sauron's essence was there, + what Gandolf is doing when he disappears throughout The Hobbit]
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I suppose it could end with Moria. Still, I think there's a reason it's a timeline and not a book.
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In a major step forward on “The Hobbit,” Guillermo del Toro has signed on to direct the New Line-MGM tentpole and its sequel.The widely expected announcement -- which had been rumored for several weeks -- came Thursday afternoon jointly from exec producers Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, New Line president Toby Emmerich, and Mary Parent, newly named chief of MGM’s Worldwide Motion Picture Group.

Del Toro’s moving to New Zealand for the next four years to work with Jackson and his Wingnut and Weta production teams. He’ll direct the two films back to back, with the sequel dealing with the 60-year period between “The Hobbit” and “The Fellowship of the Ring,” the first of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

New Line is overseeing development and will manage production. Both pics are being co-produced and co-financed by New Line Cinema and MGM, with Warner Bros. distributing domestically and MGM handling international.
Del Toro won’t leave for New Zealand immediately as he’s still in post-production on U’s “Hellboy 2,” due out in July. His previous pic, “Pan’s Labyrinth,” was released through New Line’s Picturehouse and set a record as the highest grossing Spanish language film in U.S. box office history.

The official signing of Del Toro comes four months after New Line settled a lawsuit with Jackson over “The Lord of the Rings” and announced that it had agreed with MGM to turn J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Hobbit” into two live-action films. Sam Raimi had been preceived as the initial front-runner as director but Del Toro had emerged in recent months as the likely candidate.
The studios didn’t give a start date on production and don’t yet have a script. Though no screenplay deal’s been set, it’s expected that the “LOTR” scripting team of Jackson, Walsh and Philippa Boyens will collaborate with Del Toro.
With Del Toro blocking out four years for the project, it’s likely that the studios are aiming at starting shooting next year and releasing the films in late 2011 and 2012.

Jackson’s WETA stages, post-production and visual effects facilities -- built for “The Lord of the Rings” -- will be used for both films. And New Zealand will again be the site of Middle-earth, with the story centering on Bilbo Baggins taking the Ring of Power from Gollum.
I'll definitely be looking forward to watching these movies.


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