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Old 04-15-2009, 09:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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So no Bane, Freeze or Poison Ivy?
Bane's a douche. He can't be a leading villain. I understand that he has a stronger appeal in the comics, but I don't think he translates well to film. He just looks silly.

I like Mr. Freeze, but I don't think he fits well into Nolan's world. There would have to be some heavy alterations done to his character. Obviously that whole cryogenic suit thing would probably be scrapped. He could still be a chemist, scientist, yadda, yadda, yadda, but he'd probably have to lose the freeze gun. That really takes away a lot of his draw as a villain in the first place. Obviously, he could still use sub-zero temperatures as a means of doing crime and causing problems for Batman and the city of Gotham, but I feel like Nolan already pulled off the chemical warfare threat in Gotham with Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins. No need to go back there.

Poison Ivy, again too many alterations would need to be done to her. I don't see Nolan being comfortable with her as is, so he'd probably mold her into something more subtle and plausible, and that leaves us with what? A scorned, psychotic botanist? Please.

I think PDB has the right idea when it comes to the personal motives of the next villain as a driving force, but I also want to see the next villain take a different approach to his methods for destruction. Like, Ra' Al Ghul staged a full front war against Gotham, and The Joker did the same thing.

I think I'd like to see the next villain attack Gotham from the shadows, work more stealthily, you know? He's somebody who hurts the city while watching from a distance. And as far as motives, his purpose could be the same as the ones PDB already touched on, just a greedy corrupt dude. He's doesn't want the spotlight as the Joker did, and he doesn't contextualize his campaign against Gotham into a bigger all-world perspective as Ra's Al Ghul did (fall of the Roman empire, rebirth of civilization, etc.). He wants anonyminity. And his want for anonyminity makes Batman's job much harder.

That's why I like The Clock King. In his episodes on the cartoon show, The Clock King was never really made known to the public like other villains. He wasn't looking for fame or recognition. And unlike the Joker or Ra's Al Ghul, The Clock King is not Batman's equal. He's his lesser, and he knows it. It's why he's never at the scene of his crimes while they are happening. He's always behind the scenes. He's a booby trap expert, and he knows the only way to level his playing field with Batman is to booby trap Gotham (Mad Hatter is the same way, but I don't think Nolan touches him). Alas, this point is all moot because I know the Clock King has no chance in hell of being a Batman villain.
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There is no good reason - not in a million ****ing years - to have Catwoman anywhere near Nolan's Batman series (though Marion Cotillard was involved with the movie and got naked, that would be a bonus). Same goes for Penguin. The series is too real and neither of those villains is real enough. Perhaps Poison Ivy could be an eco-terrorist with Marion Cotillard in that role.

Cillian Murphy should be brought back as the Scarecrow and he should have a major role in the third movie.

Johnny Depp or Ewan McGregor as the Riddler would be ****ing gold, too.
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There is no good reason - not in a million ****ing years - to have Catwoman anywhere near Nolan's Batman series (though Marion Cotillard was involved with the movie and got naked, that would be a bonus). Same goes for Penguin. The series is too real and neither of those villains is real enough. Perhaps Poison Ivy could be an eco-terrorist with Marion Cotillard in that role.
I am so sick and tired of this argument. How is Penguin not real enough? A high-scale criminal with a penchant for suits who likes to keep the AC up. That's basically the character.

As for Catwoman, go read Batman: Year One.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:51 PM   #34 (permalink)
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There is no good reason - not in a million ****ing years - to have Catwoman anywhere near Nolan's Batman series (though Marion Cotillard was involved with the movie and got naked, that would be a bonus). Same goes for Penguin. The series is too real and neither of those villains is real enough. Perhaps Poison Ivy could be an eco-terrorist with Marion Cotillard in that role.

Cillian Murphy should be brought back as the Scarecrow and he should have a major role in the third movie.

Johnny Depp or Ewan McGregor as the Riddler would be ****ing gold, too.
LOL! Did you not watch Batman Begins OR The Dark Knight?

Did you completely nod out during any scene with Scarecrow, the Joker, or even Two Face?
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There is no good reason - not in a million ****ing years - to have Catwoman anywhere near Nolan's Batman series (though Marion Cotillard was involved with the movie and got naked, that would be a bonus). Same goes for Penguin. The series is too real and neither of those villains is real enough. Perhaps Poison Ivy could be an eco-terrorist with Marion Cotillard in that role.

Cillian Murphy should be brought back as the Scarecrow and he should have a major role in the third movie.

Johnny Depp or Ewan McGregor as the Riddler would be ****ing gold, too.
Whats wrong with the penguin? He doesn't literally have to be a guy who is fascinated by and surrounds himself with penguins, or wateva idea you may have gotten from his previous castings.

Like jmk said, he's a high-scale criminal, with a little absurdity to his character, but Nolan can confine that and play it out well to just give him that 'outsider'-ness without really seeming out-worldly. And now you've got me making up words.
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The problem with Penguin and Catwoman is this...

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I have a feeling Nolan doesn't want to take the same path as Tim Burton.
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I'm not big on Catwoman. I think it's too early to bring in a character that is essentially a love interest. Catwoman would be good for the fourth installment.

It may be 4-5 years till the movie hits the screen, but in the movie's timeline it probably won't be more than a year or two, tops.

Penguin and the Riddler could work. Make them work independently I feel. Or save Riddler for the fourth.
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There is no good reason - not in a million ****ing years - to have Catwoman anywhere near Nolan's Batman series (though Marion Cotillard was involved with the movie and got naked, that would be a bonus). Same goes for Penguin. The series is too real and neither of those villains is real enough. Perhaps Poison Ivy could be an eco-terrorist with Marion Cotillard in that role.
Where do people come with this realism thing? The first two flicks were anything but realistic. I think people are mistaking the tone for actual realism.
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LOL! Did you not watch Batman Begins OR The Dark Knight?

Did you completely nod out during any scene with Scarecrow, the Joker, or even Two Face?
Glad you missed the point. Nice try, though.
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I am so sick and tired of this argument. How is Penguin not real enough? A high-scale criminal with a penchant for suits who likes to keep the AC up. That's basically the character.
That's a good point. If he's done like that, he could work. I don't think that's the popular image of the Penguin.

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As for Catwoman, go read Batman: Year One.
Catwoman is a stupid character. I don't care how "well done" she was in Year One; I only care that she's an idiotic character.
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Bane's a douche. He can't be a leading villain. I understand that he has a stronger appeal in the comics, but I don't think he translates well to film. He just looks silly.

I like Mr. Freeze, but I don't think he fits well into Nolan's world. There would have to be some heavy alterations done to his character. Obviously that whole cryogenic suit thing would probably be scrapped. He could still be a chemist, scientist, yadda, yadda, yadda, but he'd probably have to lose the freeze gun. That really takes away a lot of his draw as a villain in the first place. Obviously, he could still use sub-zero temperatures as a means of doing crime and causing problems for Batman and the city of Gotham, but I feel like Nolan already pulled off the chemical warfare threat in Gotham with Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins. No need to go back there.
so a PhD researcher whose research focused on his wife, was ruined by his boss and then has an intense alteration to his body from the compounds isn't plausible enough? Using a liquid nitrogen gun isn't good enough? I think he'd be bad ***. I also like him because he's like the opposite of Batman. His hatred of injustice made him a villain unlike Batman.

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Poison Ivy, again too many alterations would need to be done to her. I don't see Nolan being comfortable with her as is, so he'd probably mold her into something more subtle and plausible, and that leaves us with what? A scorned, psychotic botanist? Please.
A good secondary bad guy. She could be a serial killer who uses plant toxins on people.

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It's been done in the first one. I want to see the people put their faith into the villain. Put their trust into the Penguin. Especially since the good guy is viewed as the bad guy.
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Where do people come with this realism thing? The first two flicks were anything but realistic. I think people are mistaking the tone for actual realism.
Obviously it's not a documentary. What it does have is some foundation in real life: Batman's gadgets are based on realistic (if implausible) devices. The Joker had real scars and was really insane (no falling in a vat of acid, etc.). The Scarecrow was a demented shrink. Two-Face, clearly, wouldn't be able to run around with half his face missing, so that requires more of a stretch. The general idea is to have some foundation in the real world.

So the films take liberties; big woop. The point is that it's not out there, like, say "Crank" (which, in fairness never claimed to be remotely realistic). Tone helps, but it's not the be-all and end-all.
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I'd rather avoid that, it could get pretty gimmicky.
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so a PhD researcher whose research focused on his wife, was ruined by his boss and then has an intense alteration to his body from the compounds isn't plausible enough? Using a liquid nitrogen gun isn't good enough? I think he'd be bad ***. I also like him because he's like the opposite of Batman. His hatred of injustice made him a villain unlike Batman.
You're talking about personal backstory. I've got nothing against his backstory. I'm saying he would need to be physically altered. The cryogenic suit thing is too off-kilter for this type of Gotham. And no...using a liquid nitrogen gun isn't good enough. I do like Mr. Freeze a lot though.

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It's been done in the first one.
Ra's Al Ghul wanted personal anonymity, as in he didn't want to be easily identified as Ra's Al Ghul, but he very much wanted infamy. His whole idea was that a symbol was larger than any man could be, and he wanted the symbol of the League of Black Shadows and Ra's Al Ghul to be remembered for their personal crusade towards Gotham. Still, he wanted the people of Gotham to know their threat.

I'm talking a man willing to put personal ambition and infamy aside. He's not representing any ideals, symbols, beliefs, or platforms. He's terrorizing Gotham for his own personal gain or fortune, and once he's done, he's gone, without anybody ever knowing who he was or what and where he came from.

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I want to see the people put their faith into the villain. Put their trust into the Penguin. Especially since the good guy is viewed as the bad guy.
That's Batman Returns though.
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