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**jmk** · 04-16-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by narrator

Catwoman is a stupid character. I don't care how "well done" she was in Year One; I only care that she's an idiotic character.

Year One is part of her character, man. In Year One, she is not idiotic, so if they were to base her film version on Year One, then it wouldn't be idiotic. This is simple logic here. Put your bias aside.

**Coatesvillain** · 04-17-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by narrator

Obviously it's not a documentary. What it does have is some foundation in real life: Batman's gadgets are based on realistic (if implausible) devices. The Joker had real scars and was really insane (no falling in a vat of acid, etc.). The Scarecrow was a demented shrink. Two-Face, clearly, wouldn't be able to run around with half his face missing, so that requires more of a stretch. The general idea is to have some foundation in the real world.

So the films take liberties; big woop. The point is that it's not out there, like, say "Crank" (which, in fairness never claimed to be remotely realistic). Tone helps, but it's not the be-all and end-all.

The actions taken place by the Joker were as unrealistic as Crank. Watch the movie again.

The tone is what had people claiming it was more than a comic book movie. It wasn't a sense that it had foundation in the real world.

**jmk** · 04-17-2009, 04:11 AM

Let's please not compare any part of The Dark Knight to Crank.

**Protein Data Bank** · 04-17-2009, 10:30 AM

... because outside of ledger... crank is vastly better... afterall

**R-Star** · 04-17-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jmk

I am so sick and tired of this argument. How is Penguin not real enough? A high-scale criminal with a penchant for suits who likes to keep the AC up. That's basically the character.

As for Catwoman, go read Batman: Year One.

New school Penguin would work. Old school deformed Penguin would not in my opinion.

I think the Riddler would be the best route to go. Obviously make him dark, not a joke like Jim Carey. Just a dark intellectual with the desire to pull the perfect crimes. It is a game to him. The Riddler of Hush would work great for me, but he obviously didn't get much face time in that book.
I also think a dark take on Bane would work, hopefully. Break Batmans back, and hes not just some juiced up idiot. Although a lot could go wrong in the scenario.
I don't think anyone with magic guns, super powers, ect would work well in the new Batman franchise. Freezing enemies and anything of the like would not fit in.

Its also too bad that no one will ever be able to play the joker again in this Batman. It would take a lot of work, and at least 3 hours, but having Batman get a mature Night Wing type version of Robin that he takes under his wing at the start of the film, only to be killed by the joker in the closing of the movie would be great. He wouldn't be some helpless kid, but a competent young man who Bale sees himself in.

NewAgeBaller · 04-17-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

New school Penguin would work. Old school deformed Penguin would not in my opinion.

I think the Riddler would be the best route to go. Obviously make him dark, not a joke like Jim Carey. Just a dark intellectual with the desire to pull the perfect crimes. It is a game to him. The Riddler of Hush would work great for me, but he obviously didn't get much face time in that book.
I also think a dark take on Bane would work, hopefully. Break Batmans back, and hes not just some juiced up idiot. Although a lot could go wrong in the scenario.
I don't think anyone with magic guns, super powers, ect would work well in the new Batman franchise. Freezing enemies and anything of the like would not fit in.

Its also too bad that no one will ever be able to play the joker again in this Batman. It would take a lot of work, and at least 3 hours, but having Batman get a mature Night Wing type version of Robin that he takes under his wing at the start of the film, only to be killed by the joker in the closing of the movie would be great. He wouldn't be some helpless kid, but a competent young man who Bale sees himself in.

I liked the Riddler for this next movie, but in the end the Penguin might be the better way to go. Reason being, if the Riddler's played like that, and thats essentially the way he should be, theres not much difference between him and the Joker that really reawaked this series just last year. Desire to pull the perfect or large-scale crimes, the 'craziness' and antics, a constant theme/message but no reasonable/significant 'purpose' behind their crimes, etc. It would probably be better held off to an episode not immediately following the Joker's run and take-over of Gotham.

**jmk** · 04-17-2009, 10:52 PM

Riddler isn't some crazy, insane maniac anarchist, though. He's not like the Joker.

NewAgeBaller · 04-17-2009, 11:14 PM

I'm not sure I completely understand the Riddler, but isn't he the same kind of villain in the sense of being a 'disturbed' schemer who doesn't really have a reasonable/significant purpose for his crimes but rather a twisted ideology or for enjoyment, with similarly bizarre antics and unpredictably bizarre behavioral pattern?

I don't know, I just think if hes done well, to actually seem crazy and even 'scary' in a dark world, the bizarreness of; his personality, his antics, his crazy mind, seem a little like the Joker for a sequel, and as the Joker was done so well..

I could be wrong, I'm going off my brief memory of the Riddler from over ten years back.

**R-Star** · 04-17-2009, 11:22 PM

Riddler isn't scary though, hes a *****. If he robs a bank, its because hes a criminal and he wants the money, but he is going to try to make it the perfect crime. Then because hes an arrogant **** sucker, he'll drop Batman a Riddle or some sort to solve, leading in the end to his imminent capture.

**Pay Ton** · 04-24-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jmk

Outside of Leo, who is confirmed I believe, the rumored cast is pretty interesting; Michael Caine, Ellen Page, Cillian Murphy, and Marion Cotillard (another reason she might just actually get Catwoman).

And check out this loose description of Inception:

"a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind."

Sounds like we may be getting another classic from Nolan.

Add Joseph Gordin-Levitt to an already great cast.

**jmk** · 04-24-2009, 11:26 PM

Yep. Just read that today. Great to see JGL getting another big role. This may be his biggest yet, if his character is actually important.

RedsDrunk · 04-25-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pay Ton

Add Joseph Gordin-Levitt to an already great cast.

It's pretty funny how completely on par taste wise I am with JMK and Pay ton. JGL should have blown up so long ago it is not even funny. Ryan gosling, him and Emile Hirsch(to a lesser extent since he's on his way) should have blown up a long long time ago.

T.Shock · 04-26-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsDrunk

It's pretty funny how completely on par taste wise I am with JMK and Pay ton. JGL should have blown up so long ago it is not even funny. Ryan gosling, him and Emile Hirsch(to a lesser extent since he's on his way) should have blown up a long long time ago.

Three of the best actors in film.

**jmk** · 05-01-2009, 06:14 PM

It's time to look at the possibility of Leo and JGL in Batman 3. Leo would make a pitch perfect Riddler, in my opinion.

As for Joseph Gordon-Levitt, deeper searching is needed. He would make a decent fit as Roman Sionis aka Black Mask, and the character was rumored for a time to be a possibility for The Dark Knight. I think Gordon-Levitt would really excel, though, as Alberto Falcone. Of course, this is just my extreme desire to see The Long Halloween made into a major motion picture. With the story of The Dark Knight, though, this obviously seems a bit more difficult. It could still be managed, though, down the line.

Imagine this cast, though:

Christian Bale - Batman
Michael Caine - Alfred
Gary Oldman - Jim Gordon
Leo DiCaprio - The Riddler
Rachel McAdams - Catwoman
Viggo Mortensen - The Penguin
Joseph Gordon-Levitt - Someone?

C'mon, now.

PartisanRanger · 05-01-2009, 08:51 PM

Leo DiCaprio would be great in just about anything.

04-17-2009, 04:11 AM	#48 (permalink)
jmk Yes, please. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,649 Rep Power: 13702009	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) Let's please not compare any part of The Dark Knight to Crank. __________________ I have to return some videotapes.

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Protein Data Bank hmmmmmm Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,927 Rep Power: 14206243	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) ... because outside of ledger... crank is vastly better... afterall

04-17-2009, 10:52 PM	#52 (permalink)
jmk Yes, please. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,649 Rep Power: 13702009	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) Riddler isn't some crazy, insane maniac anarchist, though. He's not like the Joker. __________________ I have to return some videotapes.

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R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,779 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) Riddler isn't scary though, hes a ***. If he robs a bank, its because hes a criminal and he wants the money, but he is going to try to make it the perfect crime. Then because hes an arrogant ** sucker, he'll drop Batman a Riddle or some sort to solve, leading in the end to his imminent capture. __________________

04-24-2009, 11:26 PM	#56 (permalink)
jmk Yes, please. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,649 Rep Power: 13702009	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) Yep. Just read that today. Great to see JGL getting another big role. This may be his biggest yet, if his character is actually important. __________________ I have to return some videotapes.

05-01-2009, 06:14 PM	#59 (permalink)
jmk Yes, please. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,649 Rep Power: 13702009	Re: Cast Batman 3 (The Dark Knight sequel) It's time to look at the possibility of Leo and JGL in Batman 3. Leo would make a pitch perfect Riddler, in my opinion. As for Joseph Gordon-Levitt, deeper searching is needed. He would make a decent fit as Roman Sionis aka Black Mask, and the character was rumored for a time to be a possibility for The Dark Knight. I think Gordon-Levitt would really excel, though, as Alberto Falcone. Of course, this is just my extreme desire to see The Long Halloween made into a major motion picture. With the story of The Dark Knight, though, this obviously seems a bit more difficult. It could still be managed, though, down the line. Imagine this cast, though: Christian Bale - Batman Michael Caine - Alfred Gary Oldman - Jim Gordon Leo DiCaprio - The Riddler Rachel McAdams - Catwoman Viggo Mortensen - The Penguin Joseph Gordon-Levitt - Someone? C'mon, now. __________________ I have to return some videotapes.

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