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Old 06-22-2011, 01:44 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Thanks for spoiling that Robb isn't in book 2 along with the entire timeline of the books. Just started reading book 1 so thanks for that. Again, not trying to be a dick, but spoilers go both ways and that's part of the reason I didn't want Kaas telling what was left out in the book. I'd kinda like to read it and not have it spoiled. Even R-star has already written in this thread that he's in the middle of book 1. I guess I'll be the dick for everyone and combat the spoilers.

Can we just keep the ****ing spoilers out of this thread? Discuss the book in the book section.
That is in no way shape or form a spoiler. It relates to how the television series is going to work from here on out, with regards to how they're going to solve that Martin chose to split the books up geographically as opposed to over a consistent timeline. This is the sort of stuff that Martin announced to his readers BEFORE book 2 was released, to inform them that some of their favorite characters would not make it into that book. And now they've announced that they're going to rectify this with seasons 2 and 3 of the series to make it make more sense along a consistent timeline, instead of going an entire season without showing many favorite characters.

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1. The timeline.
2. Anything that happens to the characters.
3. Lysa Tully's breastmilk.
4. The plot.

So, basically, you're being a dick in general and combating nothing at all.
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Chill out Adam, you are the only one going overboard with this spoiler ****.
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That is in no way shape or form a spoiler. It relates to how the television series is going to work from here on out, with regards to how they're going to solve that Martin chose to split the books up geographically as opposed to over a consistent timeline. This is the sort of stuff that Martin announced to his readers BEFORE book 2 was released, to inform them that some of their favorite characters would not make it into that book. And now they've announced that they're going to rectify this with seasons 2 and 3 of the series to make it make more sense along a consistent timeline, instead of going an entire season without showing many favorite characters.

So, basically, you're being a dick in general and combating nothing at all.
You might not be spoiling the show but you are spoiling the books. I don't want to hear that Rob isn't in book 2. I don't want to hear about people killed behind the scenes that you read about but it wasn't shown on t.v. Granted you didn't do the last one but you're in that territory. I'll gladly be a dick to remind you to tread carefully.

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MOTHER ****ER I DON'T CARE IF IT DOESN'T INVOLVE SPOILERS. NO TALKING ABOUT THE GOD DAMN MOTHER ****ING BOOKS.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:22 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Ha. He's right about the books though. Why read when there's a TV show about the same thing.

As far as spoilers, no big deal. Telling people on a message board to not spoil your story is like telling a flock of birds to not **** on your head. Be easy.
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They only briefly mentioned Jorah's last name: Mormont. Remember that the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch is also a Mormont, his father. Basically: Jon Snow has the sword meant for Jorah.
It was pretty easy to get that info from the show, and only the show.
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Anyone else agree that Robb Stark is just a one-dimensional character? He's too boring to be a hero; there's no depth to him. He's seems to be the only character with no flaws. The others would be the boss who gave John Snow his sword, and Ned. Something foreboding. That's why my money's on Snow to be the man.
Robb Stark's thing is that he's a young kid being forced to grow up and become a leader before he's probably ready, but he's filling into that role admirably. My guess is he's meant to parallel Brandon Stark (Ned's brother--remember the queen said Brandon was a leader, and Ned was a follower/soldier). I'm sure we'll see the dichotomy of his character change a bit. He'll go through his "growing pains." The impression I got in the 'King of the North' scene was that he didn't even want that title or that recognition, but he knew as a leader he shouldn't disappoint his troops. As a result, he didn't know how to handle their praise/fealty, so he just let them keep going. I don't think Ned would've done that, or even Robb a few years older.
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Exactly start a thread in the book forum if you want to talk about it.
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Anyone else agree that Robb Stark is just a one-dimensional character? He's too boring to be a hero; there's no depth to him. He's seems to be the only character with no flaws. The others would be the boss who gave John Snow his sword, and Ned. Something foreboding. That's why my money's on Snow to be the man.
Yes and no.

I agree, because it was in my mind during the season how boring of a character he seems to be. He's too "good" of a person. He's noble as hell.

BUT...I think there were hints that he'd develop further in Season 2. I can potentially see Robb changing more than any character outside of Jaime (it's hinted that they're going to try and make Jaime Lannister more sympathetic in the next season, so he's my number one character change). I think the death of his father will trigger him to sort of abandon at least some of his father's nobility. I've said it before, and it's one of the main reasons she's one of my favorite characters, but Robb's mother knows how to play the political game much better than Ned Stark did. She's better adept at the "favor for a favor" methodology and she's seems a bit more balanced than Ned in terms of nobility and fierceness. She was a bit more practical and realistic than Ned, and not as idealistic. I feel like Robb is going to take a lot from his mother, and he's not going to be the pretty boy hero that we see now.

So yes, he's pretty one-dimensional right now, but I feel he has the potential to change a lot in the upcoming seasons.

As for Jon Snow, I actually feel he's pretty one-dimensional too, and if it wasn't for his backstory (being a bastard), he's actually just as much of a "good guy" than Robb is. But I see him changing as well.

A lot of interesting things to look at actually....

It's pretty obvious Sansa's going to try (at least once, or a few times) to kill King Joffrey. She's definitely not the naive little girl she once was, anymore.

I think Catelyn Stark is going to try to get her revenge on Littlefinger. If Littlefinger has one weakness, it's his affinity for Catelyn. Plus there was an interesting little scene with Littlefinger and the man with no balls in the last episode. It seemed to hint that there was going to be more posturing between them both for the throne. They respect each other, but they seem to know that one of them must go.

The old man (I don't know his name), who banged that whore and then acted all senile until she left and then got up, stretched and looked all sprightly and young all of a sudden. You remember that scene? Yeah, I'm certain he's going to have an even bigger role in the next season. They wouldn't show that unless he was. He's obviously more capable than he lets out to be, the question is why? Who is he trying to fool? Everybody? Somebody in particular? He's going to have a bigger role.
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Rob Stark will absolute change in the next season. He saw what his father's honor got him. It got him spit on, backstabbed, and beheaded. I have no doubt he'll engage in some of the same kind of games that the Lanisters and Joffrey are playing.
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Robb Stark's thing is that he's a young kid being forced to grow up and become a leader before he's probably ready, but he's filling into that role admirably. My guess is he's meant to parallel Brandon Stark (Ned's brother--remember the queen said Brandon was a leader, and Ned was a follower/soldier). I'm sure we'll see the dichotomy of his character change a bit. He'll go through his "growing pains." The impression I got in the 'King of the North' scene was that he didn't even want that title or that recognition, but he knew as a leader he shouldn't disappoint his troops. As a result, he didn't know how to handle their praise/fealty, so he just let them keep going. I don't think Ned would've done that, or even Robb a few years older.
What about when Robb challenges that old guy, and his dog bites off his fingers? He shows he's a strong leader for his age, so that cancels out the notion of inexperience. He needs a character flaw.

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Yes and no.

I agree, because it was in my mind during the season how boring of a character he seems to be. He's too "good" of a person. He's noble as hell.

BUT...I think there were hints that he'd develop further in Season 2. I can potentially see Robb changing more than any character outside of Jaime (it's hinted that they're going to try and make Jaime Lannister more sympathetic in the next season, so he's my number one character change). I think the death of his father will trigger him to sort of abandon at least some of his father's nobility. I've said it before, and it's one of the main reasons she's one of my favorite characters, but Robb's mother knows how to play the political game much better than Ned Stark did. She's better adept at the "favor for a favor" methodology and she's seems a bit more balanced than Ned in terms of nobility and fierceness. She was a bit more practical and realistic than Ned, and not as idealistic. I feel like Robb is going to take a lot from his mother, and he's not going to be the pretty boy hero that we see now.

So yes, he's pretty one-dimensional right now, but I feel he has the potential to change a lot in the upcoming seasons.

As for Jon Snow, I actually feel he's pretty one-dimensional too, and if it wasn't for his backstory (being a bastard), he's actually just as much of a "good guy" than Robb is. But I see him changing as well.

A lot of interesting things to look at actually....

It's pretty obvious Sansa's going to try (at least once, or a few times) to kill King Joffrey. She's definitely not the naive little girl she once was, anymore.
If there's one thing we can learn from Ned, it's that the hero of the story won't be a paragon of all that is good. The hero of the story will be a flawed hero. If Robb is to grow, he would have to be a worse person. He would have to give up his sense of nobility, and it will have to come dramatically. Probably tragically. He can't 'grow' by having his mother's political savvy influence his behavior, because that's too boring for a fantasy story.

That's why I keep going back to John Snow. His flaw is that he does what he thinks is right, and prioritizes that over his duty. Look how his boys had to talk him back to the Wall. I see him abandoning his post at some point for the greater good, and then carrying the regret of a deserter. Just theorizing.

Jaime can't be the flawed hero, because his flaws are too great for the audience to sympathize with. At best, he sacrifices himself and he's remembered for something greater than ****ing his sister.

I'd like to see Bron stay around. Remember what he said after that duel? Ugly queen: "You don't fight with honor!" Bron: "No. He did." That sums up the spirit of the entire show right there.

The Starks girls are going to have big roles to play, as they're both defined by Ned's "incident". Sansa grows from naive foolishness to gaining political intelligence and ruthlessness in court. Arya goes from likeable brat (she's always mentioning how her father will beat people up) to some kind of self-reliant warrior driven by revenge. They are both Bruce Wayne.
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How so? He doesn't know what the audience knows. He just knows the enemy killed his father. He doesn't know of Ned's dealings with the queen, or the Joffrey secret. That is only known by the Lannisters, Ned, and Littlefinger.

Does anyone remember Jamie ever interacting with Joffery? I don't.
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