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Mrs. Thang · 09-20-2012, 05:29 AM

From what I've loosely gathered, the players were able to return because Goodell wasn't clear about what part of the suspensions were for conduct detrimental to the league (pay-to-injure program) and what part were for salary cap violations (the actual payments). Apparantly as part of the CBA with the player's union, Goodell doesn't have the authority to punish players for non-contract compensation infractions (it goes to some arbitrator). Since the coaches aren't part of the player's union, it doesn't apply to them.

What I don't understand is, since the punishments were basically arbitrary to begin with, why Goodell can't just come back and say "all of the punishment was due to the conduct part". My personal speculation: in order for that kind of thing to stand up with the union he would have to provide evidence that the pay-to-injure program actually resulted in illegal and malicious hits on one of the program's targets (which I suspect he can't do, or we'd have seen the tape a million times).

**Knicks4life** · 12-11-2012, 10:33 AM

Paul Tagliabue vacates penalties

**Krstic All-Star** · 12-11-2012, 11:00 AM

Interesting, and a tad unexpected.

kbdullah · 12-11-2012, 11:12 AM

So the NFL concludes that the players are still guilty but aren't going to be punished? Doesn't pass the smell test. Perhaps the NFL figures the Saints season is lost so there is nothing gained in continuing the issue further.

**Krstic All-Star** · 12-11-2012, 12:04 PM

Peter King seems to have put it well:

Quote:

Tagliabue blamed the team for the system being in place, not the players who went along with the system and funded it ... the same way judges in society sometimes find parents guilty for the actions of their law-violating children.

The players cooperated in the scheme, Tagliabue ruled, but he seemed to say that all they were doing was following orders. It's those who gave the orders under coach Sean Payton -- mainly former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams -- who deserve the blame for the existence of the system and how widespread on the defense it was.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2Em9Qw64y

**Krstic All-Star** · 12-12-2012, 02:42 PM

Now Vilma is reportedly going to go forward with his defamation suit against Goodell, but especially given the evidence that's come out, I just can't see how he'll prove actual malice on Goodell's part - which is a high bar to reach.

09-20-2012, 05:29 AM	#31 (permalink)
Mrs. Thang Player Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 717 Rep Power: 2114851	Re: Suspended Saints' LB Vilma sues Goodell From what I've loosely gathered, the players were able to return because Goodell wasn't clear about what part of the suspensions were for conduct detrimental to the league (pay-to-injure program) and what part were for salary cap violations (the actual payments). Apparantly as part of the CBA with the player's union, Goodell doesn't have the authority to punish players for non-contract compensation infractions (it goes to some arbitrator). Since the coaches aren't part of the player's union, it doesn't apply to them. What I don't understand is, since the punishments were basically arbitrary to begin with, why Goodell can't just come back and say "all of the punishment was due to the conduct part". My personal speculation: in order for that kind of thing to stand up with the union he would have to provide evidence that the pay-to-injure program actually resulted in illegal and malicious hits on one of the program's targets (which I suspect he can't do, or we'd have seen the tape a million times).

12-11-2012, 10:33 AM	#32 (permalink)
Knicks4life Too Big To Fail Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,133 Rep Power: 3012647	Re: Suspended Saints' LB Vilma sues Goodell Paul Tagliabue vacates penalties __________________ "Winning is the most important thing in my life,after breathing. Breathing first, winning next"-George Steinbrenner

12-11-2012, 11:00 AM	#33 (permalink)
Krstic All-Star Legal Smeagol Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Unemployed, in Greenland?!? Age: 34 Posts: 30,656 Rep Power: 19240053	Re: Suspended Saints' LB Vilma sues Goodell Interesting, and a tad unexpected. __________________ LIPA delenda est

12-11-2012, 11:12 AM	#34 (permalink)
kbdullah Star Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,397 Rep Power: 1266257	Re: Suspended Saints' LB Vilma sues Goodell So the NFL concludes that the players are still guilty but aren't going to be punished? Doesn't pass the smell test. Perhaps the NFL figures the Saints season is lost so there is nothing gained in continuing the issue further.

12-12-2012, 02:42 PM	#36 (permalink)
Krstic All-Star Legal Smeagol Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Unemployed, in Greenland?!? Age: 34 Posts: 30,656 Rep Power: 19240053	Re: Suspended Saints' LB Vilma sues Goodell Now Vilma is reportedly going to go forward with his defamation suit against Goodell, but especially given the evidence that's come out, I just can't see how he'll prove actual malice on Goodell's part - which is a high bar to reach. __________________ LIPA delenda est

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