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RedsDrunk · 08-04-2012, 09:59 AM

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Ryan Clady's sacks-allowed numbers soar
May, 18, 2012
Bill Williamson
ESPN.com Ryan Clady has been considered one of the best young left tackles in the NFL.

However, after a stellar rookie season, Clady has had his issues.

According to Stats Inc., Clady -- the No. 12 overall pick in the 2008 draft -- has allowed 24.5 sacks in the past three seasons. Clady allowed just a half sack in his rookie season.

He allowed a career high nine sacks in 2011, and was penalized 12 times last season. Despite giving up 7.5 sacks in 2010, Clady had a strong season. He injured his patella tendon in April of 2010 while playing basketball, but he didn’t miss any time.

There is no denying Clady’s play did dip last season. Clady is not a horrible player by any means, but he has been far from dominant since his rookie season.

Not hating. Just sayin.

hobojoe · 08-04-2012, 11:54 AM

Yep, Clady had no business being in our top 30 and neither did Joe Thomas.

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**Dornado** · 08-04-2012, 12:03 PM

Joe Thomas definitely deserved to be in the top 30, not sure how a negative article about Ryan Clady proves otherwise.

**Coatesvillain** · 08-04-2012, 12:45 PM

It's just interesting that a position that is deemed as one of the most important in football wouldn't have it's best players considered as among the top 30 in the league?

hobojoe · 08-04-2012, 01:24 PM

People haven't been putting as much stock into left tackles as they used to in recent years, and rightfully so. If Joe Thomas is so ****ing good, why does he not impact wins and losses at all? Why do the Browns always suck, and why has he "anchored" the 30th, 31st, 29th and 30th ranked offenses in the league the last 4 years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good tackle but having him as our 20th best player in the league is laughable at best. The NFL Network list had him at 82, I think that's closer to correct but I would go even lower. I'm sorry, the 20th best player in the league makes some sort of discernible difference in the game.

Joe Thomas is better than Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Ed Reed, Jimmy Graham, Clay Matthews and Troy Polamalu? That's a good one.

**sMaK** · 08-04-2012, 01:55 PM

Andre Johnson is way too low on this list. I know he's had his injury issues but he's arguably the best WR in the league.

Phillip Rivers had a terrible year, how did he make this list? I like him, don't get me wrong. But, he's not better than Big Ben.

**Dornado** · 08-04-2012, 02:02 PM

Phillip Rivers had the 20th best passing yardage season in NFL history last year and threw 27 touchdowns. Terrible for him, I guess, but not bad enough for me to significantly downgrade him.

**Dissonance** · 08-04-2012, 02:07 PM

And the list is for this upcoming season.

**roux2dope** · 08-04-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

People haven't been putting as much stock into left tackles as they used to in recent years, and rightfully so. If Joe Thomas is so ****ing good, why does he not impact wins and losses at all? Why do the Browns always suck, and why has he "anchored" the 30th, 31st, 29th and 30th ranked offenses in the league the last 4 years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good tackle but having him as our 20th best player in the league is laughable at best. The NFL Network list had him at 82, I think that's closer to correct but I would go even lower. I'm sorry, the 20th best player in the league makes some sort of discernible difference in the game.

Joe Thomas is better than Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Ed Reed, Jimmy Graham, Clay Matthews and Troy Polamalu? That's a good one.

Colt Mccoy is their quarterback?

scdn · 08-04-2012, 02:34 PM

Also, offensive lineman don't score. Unless they lineup as running back in a goalline set. So they don't have a role where they directly affect a win or loss.

hobojoe · 08-04-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scdn

Also, offensive lineman don't score. Unless they lineup as running back in a goalline set. So they don't have a role where they directly affect a win or loss.

So by your own admission, he's not directly affecting whether the team wins or loses but Joe Thomas is a top 20 player in the league? No he can't help the fact that Colt McCoy sucks, but he can give him more time to throw and he can open up holes for the running game. Why did the Browns have the 28th ranked rushing attack last year? Not to mention Thomas allowed more sacks and committed more penalties than Duane Brown and Jason Peters, guys who had great seasons and anchored good offenses with great rushing attacks. There's just so much that points to Thomas being grossly overrated by these rankings we did. Very good left tackle, probably a Top 100 overall player in the league but nowhere near 20th.

**Coatesvillain** · 08-04-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

People haven't been putting as much stock into left tackles as they used to in recent years, and rightfully so. If Joe Thomas is so ****ing good, why does he not impact wins and losses at all? Why do the Browns always suck, and why has he "anchored" the 30th, 31st, 29th and 30th ranked offenses in the league the last 4 years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good tackle but having him as our 20th best player in the league is laughable at best. The NFL Network list had him at 82, I think that's closer to correct but I would go even lower. I'm sorry, the 20th best player in the league makes some sort of discernible difference in the game.

Joe Thomas is better than Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Ed Reed, Jimmy Graham, Clay Matthews and Troy Polamalu? That's a good one.

This logic is so strange.

So if you're on a horrible team and you're a stud you aren't a great player. In a sport that is more team oriented than any other. Gotcha.

If the argument is we have no way to really gauge offensive linemen and we should focus on players who have something we can quantify in the form of plays made. Fine. I get that. But that a LT is less valuable because he's on a horrible team and doesn't automatically improve their team into even an average offense is silly.

Nimreitz · 08-04-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coatesvillain

If the argument is we have no way to really gauge offensive linemen and we should focus on players who have something we can quantify in the form of plays made. Fine. I get that.

Yeah that's a good argument. We probably should have excluded OLs just because none of us are qualified to judge NFL offensive linemen, we're just basing this on All Pro teams and Outland trophies and things.

**Diable** · 08-04-2012, 11:55 PM

Well you can judge Linemen pretty easily, but usually only in a negative way. It's real easy to see when they suck. The difference between two great tackles is a lot more difficult to tell, especially because it depends so much on what is around them and what they are expected to do.

**Ghost** · 08-05-2012, 03:22 AM

Clay shouldnt be on the list, will post mine when I am not camping

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hobojoe Legend Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 22,087 Rep Power: 7326019	Re: BBF Top 30 Players in NFL for 2012 People haven't been putting as much stock into left tackles as they used to in recent years, and rightfully so. If Joe Thomas is so ****ing good, why does he not impact wins and losses at all? Why do the Browns always suck, and why has he "anchored" the 30th, 31st, 29th and 30th ranked offenses in the league the last 4 years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good tackle but having him as our 20th best player in the league is laughable at best. The NFL Network list had him at 82, I think that's closer to correct but I would go even lower. I'm sorry, the 20th best player in the league makes some sort of discernible difference in the game. Joe Thomas is better than Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Ed Reed, Jimmy Graham, Clay Matthews and Troy Polamalu? That's a good one.

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sMaK -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Miami, FL Age: 26 Posts: 12,814 Rep Power: 9054683	Re: BBF Top 30 Players in NFL for 2012 Andre Johnson is way too low on this list. I know he's had his injury issues but he's arguably the best WR in the league. Phillip Rivers had a terrible year, how did he make this list? I like him, don't get me wrong. But, he's not better than Big Ben.

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Dornado Community Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 10,311 Rep Power: 10609190	Re: BBF Top 30 Players in NFL for 2012 Phillip Rivers had the 20th best passing yardage season in NFL history last year and threw 27 touchdowns. Terrible for him, I guess, but not bad enough for me to significantly downgrade him. __________________

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scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,528 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: BBF Top 30 Players in NFL for 2012 Also, offensive lineman don't score. Unless they lineup as running back in a goalline set. So they don't have a role where they directly affect a win or loss. __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

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