Mr. Hobbes

What don't you get about nature? Celebs do what they do. It's norms and expectations, not rules.

Kardashian relies entirely on marketing because she has no other talents.

Every celeb does what they can do to increase value. They are brands. Reality shows and then common attention whoring is for the desperate. Celebs with more value start clothing lines, shoe brands, boxing promotional company, etc. It's not the same thing, but it's the same principle. It's always about increasing your value. Your opinion on that doesn't change the natural order of business.

Celebs aren't like regular people. Whoever they were, they will turn into something with different standards.

Speak for who? I'm speaking the truth and you're getting upset over it.

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Dre

There's a difference between marrying somebody for your brand and an actress' good performance enhancing their brand and they shouldn't be in the same category. Everybody doesn't do shit just to solely enhance their brand, most entertainers want to perform their art and go home by and large. And all these endorsements and such..there really aren't as many viable ones as you let on, you act like every single person has one or even needs one. Most top tier actors/actresses don't do ads and look down on them for instance

Where is all this coming from are you studying this or something..you're trying to sound awfully authoritative

R-Star

Speaking the truth? You're speaking from probably the most juvenile childish view of celebs I've seen in quite some time. I can see you all starry eyed as you think about it.

All celebs are trying to further their brand? By any means necessary? Sorry, what? No they ****ing aren't. Do you even hear yourself talk?

Bottom line is, if Chad Johnson was never famous, never blew up, and just lived life like anyone else in every day America, he's still going to cheat on his wife or girlfriend, and he's still going to headbutt them when they get out of line.
On the same token, if you put a guy who has been faithful to his wife his whole life and let him relive it over as a Hollywood celeb, he's not going to turn around and chase skirts just because "That's what they do R-Star, they don't have a moral code!"


You can try to justify your 15 year old, poster up on the wall, TMZ watching point of view all you want. I'll say again, the only reason you are trying so hard to justify that view is to make yourself feel better.

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R-Star

And he's coming off the exact opposite. The only people doing reality TV are B class nobodies and has beens trying to grasp on to the spotlight one last time.

Guys like Lamar Odom and Kris Humphries don't speak for the average NBA player. Why hasn't Kobe done a reality show in the summer? Maybe he should make some Kobe for Men.


Chan has no ****ing clue what hes talking about. He just keeps trying to throw out catch phrase shit and hope he doesn't have to explain anything.

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Mr. Hobbes

There are more insults than arguments here. It makes for a rather ineffective discussion.

Celebs increasing value is natural, is it not? If you're a superstar basketball player, you use your status to endorse shoes. You're a great guitar player, so you endorse a brand of guitars. If you're an aging NFL WR diva, or some Jersey-Shore lookalike, do a reality show in hopes that gets you a bigger endorsement. Play your hand.

Chad Johnson would've cheated if he was never famous? How the **** would you know? You have a time machine with a fortune teller sitting inside? Was he destined from some certain day to headbutt his would-be wife? Did he headbutt a lot of people as a child? It's purely ignorant of you to speak on that, because you never knew. Your bottom line comes from a place of ignorance, so it's natural that your assumptions come from the same place. It's natural for you to speak the way you do.

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R-Star

But its pure genius for you to come in here and tell us that if a normal person was in their shoes they'd do the exact same thing?


You're either slipping, or you were always terrible at making an argument and I just gave you more credit than you deserve, because you're doing an absolutely terrible ****ing job here.

I'll break it down for you, since you seem to be having trouble doing anything other than idolizing Hollywood. You're doing the exact same thing you just got all upset at me about.

Well except you're throwing the word ignorant quite a bit, although I'm starting to question your understanding of the word.

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Mr. Hobbes

They don't do ads because they're above it. The difference between a reality show and a personally endorsed company is small potatoes vs. big time. Leonardo DiCaprio wouldn't go on a reality show, he wouldn't endorse Honda, but he will and did endorse Tag Heuer. Snooki, on the other hand, will not be wanted as an endorsement by Rolex, or Nike, or Safeway, or many others. So she does MTV, which leads to a spin-off, then probably a clothing line or makeup brand.

What you're worth changes what you can endorse successfully. Celebs are more like businesses than people. And businesses exist to profit. Sure, some are happy with their current (extremely high) value, but some aren't. Nothing wrong with that. If there's money go get it. It's not a morality play, but a business practice.

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R-Star

Sorry, but how does cheating on your wife fit into the brand bullshit you're spewing? Because that's what you keep pushing with this "morals don't matter" garbage.

"Hey Chad, people aren't paying attention to the Johnson brand."
"Good call agent. I'm going to go cheat on my new wife and then head butt her!"
"Brilliant Chad. I'll go call and see about endorsements."


You're a ****ing idiot Chan.

Now please proceed with "That's not what I meant. I meant.........."

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Mr. Hobbes

A normal person isn't a celeb. How could you know? Cheating goes from an occasional to rare thought to an every day, everywhere thing for a celeb. You don't have to go through Chad Johnson's experiences to judge him, and you don't need to walk a mile in his shoes. At least take a look at the factors.

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R-Star

What factors? Again, I could cheat on my wife this weekend if I felt like it. It wouldn't be hard.

Maybe you're ugly and don't have the options I do, I don't know.

But even from reading your post, its clear you idolize the whole process. Its pathetic.

"You haven't walked a mile in his shoes! Don't judge him!"

What shoes? The, hey, I'm drunk. Want to ****? Shoes? Because the girls approaching him are hotter it somehow makes it different?

Chad having money and groupies such as yourself somehow made him cheat on his wife? But if he wasn't famous it wouldn't have happened?


Again, I don't give a **** because hes Chad Johnson, we'll known **** up, and his wife sounds like a real headache and a star chaser.

The point of this back and forth is the fact its utter dumbfounding how hard Hollywood makes your dick.

Not to mention you're openly contradicting yourself, and then brush it off with "its Hollywood. You can't even imagine."

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Mr. Hobbes

It's a different convo with Dre about what celebs are prone to do. In this case, I was describing how celebs operate as brands, not just everyday people.

In your case, I was describing how celebs are exposed to things that makes infidelity a common thing.

You know it's rare to get civil discussion on most forums. You're turning this into a typical internet convo where people are just angry towards each other. Anger gets in the way of reasoning. But you already said you don't care. It's better to use your account to discuss, instead of using it as a speakerphone. Unfortunately, most choose to do the latter.

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Mr. Hobbes

Okay R-Star please re-read that post I said about the factors. It's clear that you've been drinking, and I don't want to engage if you're just gonna misread my stuff.

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R-Star

I'm at work. What is clear here is two things I've already pointed out.

1) You idolize Hollywood and look up to their "I do what I want" lifestyle, but that much has been clear for years with how you used to post around here.

2) You want what you say to be true, because that way, you're not as much of a worthless dirtbag if the people you look up to do the same shit.

Its an easy diagnosis.

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R-Star

Its pretty damn funny for you to come in here and try to talk down to people.

I don't know if you're on some kick where you somehow saved up $500 and are feeling special, or finally got a girlfriend, or what. But again, you talking down to people here and trying to act like you're smarter than anyone is pretty asinine.

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R-Star

Oh, and if you don't want to "engage", then ****ing beat it.


You're trying so hard to play the intelligent, calm, mature approach that its leaving a bad taste in my mouth.


Big boy, all grown upped harder Chan. We get it. You're 22. You's a big boy. A real deal adult. Its so ****ing stereotypical its funny.

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