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**BlakeJesus** · 08-22-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coatesvillain

Tebow actually chose the Jets over Jags. Will probably be a huge boon for the Jaguars as soon as this year.

Also MJD is being a bitch here. Dude is getting solid money these next two seasons and he wants a new deal? It'd be different if he was getting $750k. I can't clap to this. The deal he signed is comparable to some of the ones given out this offseason.

Not to mention his contract was frontloaded, so of course with that type of contract the longer it goes on the worse it looks. Agreeing to a contract structured in that manner and then holding out isn't exactly something I support either.

**Dissonance** · 08-22-2012, 04:03 PM

Hm. I thought they was denied and that the Jets offered more.

Yeah, I agree about the situation. Wonder if he's just doing it to get out.

**BlakeJesus** · 08-22-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissonance

Hm. I thought they was denied and that the Jets offered more.

Yeah, I agree about the situation. Wonder if he's just doing it to get out.

I was under the impression they offered the same package but Tebow felt like the Jets wanted him whereas the Jags just felt obligated to make an offer to appease the people.

**Diable** · 08-22-2012, 04:08 PM

In two years he's going to be 29 though. If he waits until then he's not getting his money, assuming he's still able to run the ball. It makes sense for him to hold out right now, because that's about the best way he can hope to maximize his earnings. His base pay next year is something like 4.5 and they probably only owe him about 10 total for the last 2 years of the deal. If he holds out the idea is that you get three or four times that much before the league wears you down and you end up on the scrap heap.

In my opinion the guy already earned the money on that deal. He's the only reason anyone would want to watch that team. I can't imagine how bad they'd have been without him.

**BlakeJesus** · 08-22-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Diable

In two years he's going to be 29 though. If he waits until then he's not getting his money, assuming he's still able to run the ball. It makes sense for him to hold out right now, because that's about the best way he can hope to maximize his earnings. His base pay next year is something like 4.5 and they probably only owe him about 10 total for the last 2 years of the deal. If he holds out the idea is that you get three or four times that much before the league wears you down and you end up on the scrap heap.

But he signed a front loaded contract, that is inherently designed to make the front loaded with more cash and effectively lessening the amount dispersed in the expiring years. That's something his agent negotiated for, and something they accepted to for him. To turn around, after the bulk of your money has come in, and claim that your contract isn't up to snub is flat out greedy. MJD seems like a good guy from the interviews I've heard, he's super talented, and seems to be an extremely hard worker. I think he deserves to be paid, I just think he's mishandling the situation.

**Dissonance** · 08-22-2012, 04:13 PM

You guys are right.

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On Wednesday, multiple reports indicated that the Broncos were allowing quarterback Tim Tebow to choose between the Jets and the Jaguars. After the trade went down, Tebow claimed otherwise.

In a late-night media conference call, Tebow said that he “didn’t have any [say]” in his destination, and that the Broncos had “all that power.”

Broncos V.P. of football operations John Elway begs to differ.

“There was more [offered] from Jacksonville, but I think that we looked at it and it was close enough, and we were in contact with Tim throughout the day, and talked to him,” Elway told ESPN Radio in Denver on Thursday, via Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post. “He knew what was going on the whole time. The reports that he was not involved are not accurate.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ck-chose-jets/

**Coatesvillain** · 08-22-2012, 04:14 PM

If he came back to the table wanting more next season fine... but the year after the front loading?! Nah.

Especially when you consider that $4.5 million as a base for a RB is really good money.

**Diable** · 08-22-2012, 04:16 PM

I am only speaking to the financial logic. I don't really think morality has a lot to do with any of it. This is a billionaire and a millionaire arguing over a business transaction. Jones-Drew is trying to fix it so that he walks away from the NFL with as much money as he possibly can. That is assuming that he'll be able to walk away. He might just as easily go out on a gurney.

If he went out and got really badly hurt in the first week the Jags would cut him at the first opportunity to save the five million they owe him in the last year of that deal. How moral would that be? And why should morality enter into for Jones-Drew when the club is expected to take advantage of him if they can?

hobojoe · 08-22-2012, 04:39 PM

Jones-Drew has a ton of carries on those legs and his 5 foot whatever body has taken a lot of hits over the last 5 years. He's not getting any younger and he's coming off a year where he easily led the league in rushing. We all know the average life of running backs, I don't blame him one bit for trying to get his. So far the Jags aren't budging, but I can't fault him for using whatever leverage he has as the face of the franchise and one of the best players in franchise history to secure his family for life.

FSH · 08-22-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

The Jets? Greene isn't a great back, but he's fine. The Jets have a lot more holes than a RB can plug.

Of course MJD is open to a trade. He wants more money and more years, he'll take it wherever he can get it.

Have the watched the Jets offense? The whole reason it sucks is because Shonn Greene sucks. That offense is built to run the ball and they have a guy that is nothing more then a situtional RB carrying the load

**Diable** · 08-22-2012, 05:48 PM

So the Jets have a poor O line, two crap QB's and one competent receiver, but somehow Shonn Green is completely responsible for their offensive ineptitude?

Yeah, okay.

**Coatesvillain** · 08-22-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FSH

Have the watched the Jets offense? The whole reason it sucks is because Shonn Greene sucks. That offense is built to run the ball and they have a guy that is nothing more then a situtional RB carrying the load

I think Mark Sanchez sucking has a bigger hand in the reason why the Jets offense is sorry.

Nimreitz · 08-22-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FSH

Have the watched the Jets offense? The whole reason it sucks is because Shonn Greene sucks. That offense is built to run the ball and they have a guy that is nothing more then a situtional RB carrying the load

1050 yards rushing and 4.2 yards per carry is nothing to write home about, but it puts him about middle of the league for starting RBs.

**Coatesvillain** · 08-22-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Diable

I am only speaking to the financial logic. I don't really think morality has a lot to do with any of it. This is a billionaire and a millionaire arguing over a business transaction. Jones-Drew is trying to fix it so that he walks away from the NFL with as much money as he possibly can. That is assuming that he'll be able to walk away. He might just as easily go out on a gurney.

If he went out and got really badly hurt in the first week the Jags would cut him at the first opportunity to save the five million they owe him in the last year of that deal. How moral would that be? And why should morality enter into for Jones-Drew when the club is expected to take advantage of him if they can?

Tell me. What would the Jaguars incentive be to budge in this deal and give MJD a new contract?

Now he's doing this and losing money every day and they can take a prorated portion of his signing bonus back if this goes on long enough.

FSH · 08-22-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coatesvillain

I think Mark Sanchez sucking has a bigger hand in the reason why the Jets offense is sorry.

My whole point is Jets are a running team. For some reason Rex Ryan wants to be a running team. Replacing Shonn Greene will have alot more effect then replacing Sanchez

08-22-2012, 04:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Dissonance Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 45,761 Rep Power: 17107929	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade Hm. I thought they was denied and that the Jets offered more. Yeah, I agree about the situation. Wonder if he's just doing it to get out.

08-22-2012, 04:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,415 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade In two years he's going to be 29 though. If he waits until then he's not getting his money, assuming he's still able to run the ball. It makes sense for him to hold out right now, because that's about the best way he can hope to maximize his earnings. His base pay next year is something like 4.5 and they probably only owe him about 10 total for the last 2 years of the deal. If he holds out the idea is that you get three or four times that much before the league wears you down and you end up on the scrap heap. In my opinion the guy already earned the money on that deal. He's the only reason anyone would want to watch that team. I can't imagine how bad they'd have been without him. __________________

08-22-2012, 04:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
Coatesvillain Kwisatz Haderach Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Philly Age: 30 Posts: 31,775 Rep Power: 18867400	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade If he came back to the table wanting more next season fine... but the year after the front loading?! Nah. Especially when you consider that $4.5 million as a base for a RB is really good money. __________________ They have muffin in common Breakfast at Timothy's 1 Featuring: Cocaine 80's, The Internet, J*Davey, The Antlers, Ford & Lopatin, Fol Chen, ::M∆De::In::Heights::, SBTRKT. Breakfast at Timothy's Archives Slow Motion Animatronics

08-22-2012, 04:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,415 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade I am only speaking to the financial logic. I don't really think morality has a lot to do with any of it. This is a billionaire and a millionaire arguing over a business transaction. Jones-Drew is trying to fix it so that he walks away from the NFL with as much money as he possibly can. That is assuming that he'll be able to walk away. He might just as easily go out on a gurney. If he went out and got really badly hurt in the first week the Jags would cut him at the first opportunity to save the five million they owe him in the last year of that deal. How moral would that be? And why should morality enter into for Jones-Drew when the club is expected to take advantage of him if they can? __________________

08-22-2012, 04:39 PM	#24 (permalink)
hobojoe Legend Asteroids Champion! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 22,463 Rep Power: 7699698	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade Jones-Drew has a ton of carries on those legs and his 5 foot whatever body has taken a lot of hits over the last 5 years. He's not getting any younger and he's coming off a year where he easily led the league in rushing. We all know the average life of running backs, I don't blame him one bit for trying to get his. So far the Jags aren't budging, but I can't fault him for using whatever leverage he has as the face of the franchise and one of the best players in franchise history to secure his family for life.

08-22-2012, 05:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,415 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Sources: Jags' RB Jones-Drew open to trade So the Jets have a poor O line, two crap QB's and one competent receiver, but somehow Shonn Green is completely responsible for their offensive ineptitude? Yeah, okay. __________________

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