kbdullah

Seattle can't win games outside their home stadium. The crowd noise is a huge advantage against teams running hurry up no huddle offenses which seems to be just about every quality offense nowadays. But you take Qwest Field away from Seattle, and they just aren't that good.

Dre

I'm not saying he's top level but it's indeed bashing him to say he's not a reason the team is winning at all. You don't have to be top level to not have:

"(he) is just about the last reason why the Seahawks are winning" as a part of your scouting report. Come on now.

croco

No, it's perfectly legit to say that he is just about the last reason why the Seahawks are winning. I never claimed he wasn't doing anything to help them win or that he can't improve and eventually develop into a good quarterback, but at this particular moment he is one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league. Someone has got to play quarterback and it happens to be Russell Wilson. If the Seahawks were 2-5 instead of 4-3 right now people wouldn't be talking how he was named team captain at Wisconsin one week after arriving on campus, they would be clamoring how much better Seattle would be if they actually had a better offense.

Of course they are limiting him on purpose as you put it. The coaching staff understands that it's not about volume in the passing game, it is about efficiency. What separates the great quarterbacks from the rest is that they help their team combine those two things. Wilson isn't capable of shouldering that load. If he is ever going to be able to do it, who knows? Right now he is not and that's all that matters at the moment. They aren't averaging 17 points per game because they think it's the greatest thing ever to win 10-6, it's their best bet because the offense is based on the run, sustaining some drives and ultimately very limited.

Why do you think Mark Sanchez and Matt Cassel are not "winners" anymore? It is not because of them individually, it is because of the team around them. If your quarterback is limited, you need to manage the amount of passes he is going to throw or it will end in turnover city. That is not a slight to those guys, it is simply the reality of playing quarterback in the NFL while trying to win games. I mean you are expected to make plays as a starting quarterback, the standard can't be to expect nothing and then be happy about small contributions.

Having a great defense allows them to stick with the running game and not expose Wilson and the entire offense to the pressure of needing to match score for score. If their defense couldn't stop anyone, they would be forced to throw the ball when they don't want to much more often. At the end of the day your run/pass ratio can be 50/50, 70/30 or 30/70, but you need to be efficient when throwing the ball. How you get there doesn't matter as much as long as you do get there.

Dre

But the Seahawks are not 2-5 right now they're 4-3. If the Broncos were 0-7 people would be calling for Manning's head, but they're not

And the bolded is all I needed to see you say.

Mr. Hobbes

Are you blind croco? I just said Russell Wilson leads all rookies in passing TDs, and then you say he's the last reason the Seahawks are winning. That TD stat is proof. What more can I say?

__________________
don't edit me bro

croco

Throwing the number of touchdown passes out there without correlation is not how you can measure the impact of a quarterback. If your point is that he is playing better than Griffin or Tannehill, then it's really pointless to continue this conversation. And his situation isn't comparable to Luck at all because the Colts are asking him to be the first, second and third option on offense. If a team had Russell Wilson averaging over 40 passes a game right now, it would be ugly.

Mr. Hobbes

Who gives a **** if he doesn't throw 40 times a game? You throw to win, not to pad your stats. If he can play he can play. Like I said Tom Brady threw 58 times in a loss. That must be ****ing great, huh.

Simple facts are: Wilson leads rookies in thrown TDs. Seattle has the best record out of all rookie-led QBs. The NFC West is the most competitive division in the NFL.

You want to judge a QB by his passing attempts? That is straight up pathetic.

__________________
don't edit me bro

croco

Ok, whatever. If you think that I want to judge a quarterback by the amount of pass attempts, then I'm not even sure if you read any of what I was saying.

The reason why the Seahawks are 4-3 is because they are allowing 15 points a game. Much harder to have a great record when you are giving up 28 per game like the Redskins and Colts. I guess like Tebow, Sanchez and many others before Russell Wilson magically causes the defense and special teams to perform at a very high level.

Mr. Hobbes

Tebow is Tebow and he's not 4-3 in the NFC West. Drop these silly comparisons and watch the games. You've obviously never seen him play, and will ignore all the key stats that disprove your whiny little argument. 'Durrr...wins and TDs don't mean anything. He's gotta throw 40 times a game! Derpderpderp'.

FOH.

__________________
don't edit me bro

croco

There is no reason to continue this conversation if you are not reading my posts.

If only Drew Brees and Tom Brady could play defense like Russell Wilson, maybe they would be any good. Joe Flacco is really regressing, his defensive prowess is getting worse by the week. He was a much better defender early on in his career. And this Roethlisberger guy sure struggles to get stops nowadays. The Steelers would be dominant on defense if they had a different quarterback.

scdn

Philip Rivers played great defense for the Broncos last week.

__________________
KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs

Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts
Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley
Norberto Rosas
Harry Kingsley
Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

Basel

It'll be nice watching football today without caring about any results.

__________________

Knick Killer

Wow you're not annoying at all. I really enjoy your posts.

__________________

Diable

Wilson is really moving up in the world. A few months ago everyone was saying that he could never make it in the NFL, now he's got his own haters. I haven't watched every Seattle game, but Wilson has been more than competent in the games I have seen. He's doing okay in my book.

__________________

Dissonance

Those days make gamedays feel empty to me.