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Old 12-19-2012, 01:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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NFL '12 - Week 16

SAT, DEC 22 TIME (ET)
Atlanta at Detroit 8:30 PM ESPN

SUN, DEC 23 TIME (ET)
New Orleans at Dallas 1:00 PM FOX
Tennessee at Green Bay 1:00 PM CBS
Indianapolis at Kansas City 1:00 PM CBS
Buffalo at Miami 1:00 PM CBS
San Diego at NY Jets 1:00 PM CBS
Washington at Philadelphia 1:00 PM FOX
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh 1:00 PM CBS
St. Louis at Tampa Bay 1:00 PM FOX
Oakland at Carolina 1:00 PM CBS
New England at Jacksonville 1:00 PM CBS
Minnesota at Houston 1:00 PM FOX
Cleveland at Denver 4:05 PM CBS
Chicago at Arizona 4:25 PM FOX
NY Giants at Baltimore 4:25PM FOX
San Francisco at Seattle 8:20 PM NBC
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

Ever since Christian Ponder and Samantha Steele's relationship went public he's played like shit. Now that they got married this week he better play well with his team in the thick of the playoff race.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Why would she marry him? Steele could have at least landed an Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, or some other mediocre starting NFL quarterback not named Christian Ponder.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

Dalton's a ginger.

Ponder is inaccurate and terrible, hot wife or no. They stay with him at QB and AP's career is going the route of Steven Jackson.

If Seattle beats SF, I'll absolutely declare RWilson over RG3 for ROY. Looking at quality wins, RG3 has only beaten 1 good defense this year in Baltimore. Wilson has wins over Chicago, NE and GB. RG3's best games came against garbage teams.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sadly, Ravens defense actually sucks this yr.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well then, which good defense has RG3 beaten?
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

Lol @ quality wins. This is the NFL. Anyway, according to ESPN , we have played against 7 of the top 15 defenses in the league this year (Going by PPG)...of whom we've beaten four. Right on par with our overall 8-6 record.

Anyway, I have my Fantasy Football Championship this week and I would gladly trade that game for a W in Philly Sunday. Hail To The Redskins.
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I wonder what the Redskins offense would look like with Marshawn Lynch in it. Not like Alfred Morris is having a bad year obviously, but teams load up the box for Lynch and RG3 is a stone cold killer in play action. Then they could run their option game and the zone read a bit more effectively as well.

Wilson has had a great rookie year and you can argue him for ROY, but you have to be a real homer to use that sort of lame ass argument. He just hasn't been better than Griffin or Luck. If you want to talk about defenses, then tell us who is the best player on the Skins defense who isn't on IR. It's amazing that they have any sort of decent record given that all of their best defenders are hurt.
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

It is difficult to compare Luck, Griffin and Wilson because they are all in completely different systems. Luck has been asked to do the most and he has usually delivered in the fourth quarter, but from an efficiency standpoint, Wilson and Griffin far, far surpass him. The Colts have benefited from an incredible stroke of circumstance, everything going right that could possibly go right, playing a weak schedule, plus eight of their nine wins came by a combined total of 32 points. Wilson is easily on the best team out of those three and has become a big reason why the Seahawks are a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Right now, I would vote for Griffin ahead of Wilson and Luck as third.
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

I think Wilson has had a better year than Luck. Luck simply has too many turnovers (20 TD, 5 RTD, 18 INT, 5 FUM) to justify receiving the award over the other two guys. If RGIII makes the postseason, he gets the award, otherwise, I give it to Wilson.
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I think Wilson has had a better year than Luck. Luck simply has too many turnovers (20 TD, 5 RTD, 18 INT, 5 FUM) to justify receiving the award over the other two guys. If RGIII makes the postseason, he gets the award, otherwise, I give it to Wilson.
Yeah, I'm confident if RGIII can win these last two divisional games to clinch the NFC East on a 7-game winning streak...he'll walk away with the award.

I do have to give it up to the Colts organization, though. Living in Indianapolis, expectations around the community were very low going into this season (they were an absolute mess last year) and despite having a rookie QB, a weak defense, and losing their coach early in the season...a run to the post-season is quitee an accomplishment despite the factors you mentioned going their way.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Lol @ quality wins. This is the NFL. Anyway, according to ESPN , we have played against 7 of the top 15 defenses in the league this year (Going by PPG)...of whom we've beaten four. Right on par with our overall 8-6 record.

Anyway, I have my Fantasy Football Championship this week and I would gladly trade that game for a W in Philly Sunday. Hail To The Redskins.
Because the Chiefs and Jaguars are as good as the Niners, right? Of course you have to consider the strength of schedule. Right now the best record in the NFC East is a 3 way tie at 8-6. That's good for third place in the NFC West.

RG3's biggest claim to ROY is his 8 TDs in 2 games, but they were against Philly and Dallas. The best defenses he's played are Baltimore, NYG and Tampa Bay.

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I wonder what the Redskins offense would look like with Marshawn Lynch in it. Not like Alfred Morris is having a bad year obviously, but teams load up the box for Lynch and RG3 is a stone cold killer in play action. Then they could run their option game and the zone read a bit more effectively as well.

Wilson has had a great rookie year and you can argue him for ROY, but you have to be a real homer to use that sort of lame ass argument. He just hasn't been better than Griffin or Luck. If you want to talk about defenses, then tell us who is the best player on the Skins defense who isn't on IR. It's amazing that they have any sort of decent record given that all of their best defenders are hurt.
No you've got the lame ass argument. You're trying to to turn the subject away from the ROY candidates. "Look at the defense! Blame them!"...no, players should be judged by their accomplishments and not their excuses.

Wilson has led his team to a win over the best defense any of the ROY candidates have faced: Chicago. SF is the best defense right now, and a QB-led win over them would have to guarantee Wilson's spot at ROY.
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Re: NFL '12 - Week 16

We'll see what happens, I do think Wilson is more deserving than Luck. But I don't see a 95 QB Rating and 24 TD's, 9 INT's, and 3,000 yards beating a 104 QB Rating, 24 TD's, 4 INT's and 3,600 yards (which has a good shot at breaking the 4,000 mark) if that the latter wins their division and the Seahawks don't.

Still a big if though. It's tough to see the Cowboys missing the playoffs this season.
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Oh funny. 104 QBR 24 TDs 4 INT. You had me for a second.

104 QBR, 18TDs, 6 rushing TDs. Don't try and skew that passing ratio. Playing Philly and Dallas twice a year makes that passing TD stat skyrocket. NYG also has a poor secondary.
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So how do you break the single season receiving yard record but have less TD then Cecil Shorts
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