[The Truth]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Watters

The "he plays in a bad conference" argument just doesn't hold any water, but I doubt that will stop you from using it in the future if Morrison vs Redick is the subject.

I addressed this in my previous post.

You're never going to prove to me otherwise because Morrison is never going to play a FULL season against major conference competition where all the teams have prior experience guarding him.

[zagsfan20]

Last year as a Sophmore Adam put up 26 against championship game bound Illinois team and then against future #1 seed Washington team he put up 28......

He elevates his game to the level of his opponents without a doubt.....and the UCONN game was within 24 hours after he played 52 minutes and scored 43 points against Michigan St. not to mention the athletic UCONN defenders keying in on his every move...

[Jonathan Watters]

Originally Posted by The Truth

I addressed this in my previous post.

You're never going to prove to me otherwise because Morrison is never going to play a FULL season against major conference competition where all the teams have prior experience guarding him.

You just aren't going to respond, because you can't. You have no argument, and you have addressed nothing.

And if you honestly think that playing the guy twice would make any sort of difference, you need to find a new sport to watch. No player in the country, including Redick, is prepared for half as much as Morrison. No player gets more attention from opposing defenses. And he doesn't even need an offense around him. Almost everything he does is freelance. Coaches have come away talking about how their players defended him well, but were helpless. You honestly think playing a second time would make any difference?

These types of arguments only further enforce my belief that you are not a basketball fan, you are just a Duke fan.

[ralaw]

Why is there a sweepstakes for a player that does not even warrant a #1 pick? It seems to me any team in the top 10 picks has shot at getting him.

[sevenwithcheese]

Originally Posted by ralaw

Why is there a sweepstakes for a player that does not even warrant a #1 pick? It seems to me any team in the top 10 picks has shot at getting him.

Agreed. I don't get it.

[The Truth]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Watters

You just aren't going to respond, because you can't. You have no argument, and you have addressed nothing.

And if you honestly think that playing the guy twice would make any sort of difference, you need to find a new sport to watch. No player in the country, including Redick, is prepared for half as much as Morrison. No player gets more attention from opposing defenses. And he doesn't even need an offense around him. Almost everything he does is freelance. Coaches have come away talking about how their players defended him well, but were helpless. You honestly think playing a second time would make any difference?

These types of arguments only further enforce my belief that you are not a basketball fan, you are just a Duke fan.

Please, the sanctimonious lecturing is a bit old, ya dig?

Morrison gets a ton of defensive attention, but SO DOES REDICK.

And yes, playing a team for the 6th time DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it so.

Dude, you have some strange, pent up animosity towards me. I'm not exactly sure why you're throwing such a fit in this thread. I said I think Morrison is a fantastic player and I wouldn't be upset if he and JJ were to share NPOTY. Is that so unreasonable?

I also said that Glenn Robinson was a better college player, and I don't understand how that's so controversial.

And as I've said before, I don't give a **** what kind of fan you think I am. I'm not interested in measuring up to any JonathanWatters college basketball fandom threshold. I'm just wondering why you give a **** about what kind of fan I am.

edit: BTW, if you think Morrison is more deserving of NPOTY than JJ at this point of the season, I'd love to hear an argument.

[The Truth]

Jason Conley led the nation in scoring as a freshman at VMI (30 ppg). A lot of people argued that his scoring average was a result of playing mediocre competition, but that season, in his team’s biggest games, he scored 24 against Kentucky, 25 against Virginia, and 38 against Villanova.

In Conley’s sophomore season he only played 10 games, averaging 22 ppg. That season, he scored 25 points against Tennessee.

During his sophomore season, Conley decided to transfer to the University of Missouri. A lot of people predicted that he would be a star at Missouri.

In his Junior season at Mizzou, Conley averaged 8 points per game in limited time.

In his Senior season at Mizzou, Conley averaged 10 pppg.

Now I’m not saying that Morrison’s numbers would dip even close to that that much if he were playing in a tougher conference, and Morrison is obviously twice the player Conley was. I’m just trying to demonstrate that you can’t assume that because a player plays well in limited games against tough competition, he would play that well over an entire season in a major conference.

That’s why I think JJ Redick’s season is more impressive. But please note, JJ Redick is having one of the best offensive seasons in the past 20 years of college basketball. To say Morrison hasn’t been as impressive as Redick to this point in the season is in NO WAY an insult to Morrison. He has been absolutely tremendous, and is definitely one of the two players worthy of consideration for NPOTY.

[tbp82]

ESPN also has on thier big board Morrison at number #3 behind the recently rising Rudy Gay at Number #2 and the one bad game away from slipping out of the No. 1 spot Lamarcus Aldridge. Anyone on this board knows that my #1 guy is Aldridge but Gay has looked great recently and despite not having as much potential as an NBA player Morrison's numbers are hard to ignore. My top five based on how I rank the prospect would look like this.

1. Lamarcus Aldridge-barley hanging on here he can't continue to be in foul trouble and stay ahead of Gay but he bounced back well with 17 and 11 on Monday.

2. Rudy Gay-Freakish Athlete. Josh Smith 2 maybe? Is on the rise for sure with a legit chance to overtake Aldridge only reason he isn't number 1 is because teams usually draft big guys over wings.

3. Andrea Bargini-second best big man available according to most site also has chance to reach number 1.

4. Tyrus Thomas-Atheltic big man who with a few strong showings in workouts could rise even higher.

5. Adam Morrison-Having to play spectacular on the college level just to be considered a top pick. Could go as high as numeber #1 but could fall to the back of the lottery I think he will be better than expected in workouts by scouts but way lower than expected by most great white hope fans. Workouts will hurt him for sure but you can't ignore what he has accomplished.

[compsciguy78]

This guy is getting too much hype.

If he ends up better then Big Dog or Wally Z then it would almost be a miracle. Both of those players made the all-star game. Wally Z is not a bad player. I see Morrison following the same statline in a best case scenario. I still consider Wally Z a better shooter.

People who say Morrison is close to Bird are crazy. Morrison isn't an exceptional shooter. What does he shoot from the line? 79%? Bird was in the high 80's and low 90's during the NBA.

Also, he plays for Gonzaga and the system gives him all the plays he wants. If he goes to the NBA and gets all these shots with the whole team revolving around him then he might score 25ppg. Will this happen? Not in this lifetime. This guy will never score 25ppg in the NBA. You can bank on that. The best this guy will ever be is Wally Z. If he becomes Big Dog then the Lord is with him.

[zagsfan20]

People who say Morrison is close to Bird are crazy. Morrison isn't an exceptional shooter. What does he shoot from the line? 79%? Bird was in the high 80's and low 90's during the NBA.

Uhhh so free throw shooting is the only measure of a great shooter?.....Adam's shooting over 50% from the field and nearly 45% from behind the 3 point line.....and last time I checked when was almost 80% a bad percentage?