Why Was Dominique Wilkins Not Voted As One Of The Top 50 NBA Players Of All Time?? - Page 2 - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

Wiggum · 11-10-2002, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheRifleman!
Questionable - John Havlicek?
You really don't know about this 6th man who scored
more than 20 PPG,
more than 20,000 points,
more than 8000 rebounds,
more than 6000 assists, 

won 8 championships and losing NONE,

was the MVP of the finals in 1974 and
was cheated out of it the first year it was given in 1969,

was all defensive team 8 times,
was an all star 13 times,
was all NBA 11 times
still holds the finals game records for most points in OT and the most STEALS.

QUESTIONABLE????? I don't think so.

Ugh, I'm NOT saying Havlicek was a questionable selection PERIOD. I'm saying that the fact that Havlicek was chosen and Wilkins wasn't WAS questionable.

When a great player like Havlicek is chosen, and another great like Wilkins ISN'T chosen, that's questionable. That's all I meant to say. Believe me, I have nothing but respect for John Havlicek.

Villa909 · 11-10-2002, 02:01 PM

Worthy over Wilkins is definitely questionable. Look at the career averages...

Wilkins: 24.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists.
Worthy: 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.0 assists.

Career numbers

Wilkins: 1074 games, 26,668 points, 7169 rebounds, 2,677 assists, 1378 steals, 642 blocks, 46.1 FG %, 81.1 FT%.

7 time all NBA
9 time all-star

Worthy: 926 games, 16,320 points, 4,707 rebounds, 2791 assists, 1041 steals, 624 blocks, 52.1 FG%, 76.9 FT%.

2 time all NBA
7 time all-star

Scuall · 11-10-2002, 03:22 PM

Worthy = key component on a Lakers squad that won several (3 or 4) championships. Champsionships are a key component of being named to that all 50, take a look of all the Celtic greats listed. It's arguable, but I surmise that a Worthy in-his-prime would have put up the same numbers as Wilkins. I do have to admit though... Magic to Nique would've made Showtime even more fun.

Villa909 · 11-10-2002, 04:13 PM

Rings don't make a player, had Nique played with Magic he's sure to have more than a couple. And had Worthy been in Nique's spot he's sure to have none.

Da Grinch · 11-10-2002, 07:09 PM

Worthy was a better all around player than nique

he was more willing to play a role than wilkins

and when it counted Worthy stepped up (they did call him Big Game James)

when did Wilkins ever step up and become the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs?

he never did and thats why he in the scheme of things is not better than Worthy

because what good is a great player if he's not great when you need him to be?

tinygiant · 11-10-2002, 07:35 PM

Actually, Wilkins did have some great playoff series. He just never had the rest of the team around him to go very far. As great as someone can be, no one can win playoffs by themselves. Think about Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics (the highest playoff mark ever) but they lost. I would have to agree with those who say that if Wilkins had played with Magic, Kareem, Scott etc. he probably would've had a few rings too.

Da Grinch · 11-10-2002, 08:13 PM

a starting line up of wilkins moses malone reggie theus kevin willis and doc rivers should have gotten past the 2nd once

dont you think once ? if wilkns was as good as people say he is

can you name a player that is top 50 that never got as far as the conf. finals in his entire career ?

i dont think you can

Villa909 · 11-10-2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by happygrinch!

can you name a player that is top 50 that never got as far as the conf. finals in his entire career ?

i dont think you can

Not exactly fair, their were less teams in the playoffs during some of these guys playing years.

Da Grinch · 11-10-2002, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Villa909!

Not exactly fair, their were less teams in the playoffs during some of these guys playing years.

that may be true but you always had to beat someone in the top 4 to get to your conf finals.

the hawks (when led by dominique) where never that high because they never beat anyone that wasn't one of the bottom half(5-8) seeds

and thats my point he never won series in the pro's that mattered he beat a team or 2 that wasn't going anywhere anyway but when it was time to play the big boys he and his teams folded up like lawnchairs and a lot of that had to do wirh him and him alone

he never got the tough boards or made the timely passes or surely never made any important defensive stops (as he is one of the worse defenders of his era) and as the star of his team he should have done more and the sportwriters who were voting on the top 50 agreed which is why he isn't there

ez8o5 · 11-11-2002, 12:06 AM

i think that Nique should of been on the list instead of ShaQ, cuz that list was composed back in 97' and that was only ShaQ's 5th year in the league he hadn't won any championships yet plus he was the youngest guy on the list and he could wait to be in like an all NBA at 60 or somethin, if it would ever happen again

Da Grinch · 11-11-2002, 12:17 AM

well if want to get rid of someone for lack of longevity

you could always throw out Bill Walton who when healthy played really well but didn't play for very long at that level

walton played in 468 career games(it comes out to less than 6 82 game seasons) and most of it was not a dominant player

by that point shaq hadn't won any titles but he did at least get to the finals and was probably the best center in the game at the time the 50 best players were announced

he did deserve it imo

The OUTLAW · 11-11-2002, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sovereignz!
Remove:

Lenny Wilkens
Paul Arizin
Dave Bing

Insert:

Bob McAdoo
Mark Aguirre/Joe Dumars
Dominique Wilkins

I am not one of the Dominique Wilkins lovers like most here. I think that the person that really got the shaft was Bob McAdoo. He Clearly should have been top 50, Wilkins I'm less sold on, while I believe he probably should be as well. But, then who do you take out.

**truebluefan** · 11-11-2002, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheRifleman!
Questionable - John Havlicek?
You really don't know about this 6th man who scored
more than 20 PPG,
more than 20,000 points,
more than 8000 rebounds,
more than 6000 assists, 

won 8 championships and losing NONE,

was the MVP of the finals in 1974 and
was cheated out of it the first year it was given in 1969,

was all defensive team 8 times,
was an all star 13 times,
was all NBA 11 times
still holds the finals game records for most points in OT and the most STEALS.

QUESTIONABLE????? I don't think so.

I was wondering about that one myself! Questionable? Thats got to be the first time i have ever read something about John being questionable!

**truebluefan** · 11-11-2002, 09:31 AM

Someone mentioned iceman doesn't deserve to be there. I beg to differ! They didnt call him iceman for nothing! If you kept the game close, he would rip your heart out at the end of it!!

Nique does deserve to be in the top 50 but it is difficult to take anyone out of it!!

Big John · 11-11-2002, 10:00 AM

Maybe Wilkins didn't make it because people remembered how badly he played when he came to the Celtics. He was an embarrassment.

But he does deserve to rank ahead of Arizin, who was a jump shooter but not much else.

Lists like the one published in '96 are always subject to change. Kobe and Kidd aren't on the list either. If you did another list in 2003, they would definitely be on it. These lists are also popularity contests. Why is Walton on the list? He had a couple of great years, then hurt his foot. Career-wise his stats are mediocre.

11-10-2002, 07:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
Da Grinch X-Mas Taker Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nyc Posts: 8,386 Rep Power: 2256496	#s alone dont do it Worthy was a better all around player than nique he was more willing to play a role than wilkins and when it counted Worthy stepped up (they did call him Big Game James) when did Wilkins ever step up and become the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs? he never did and thats why he in the scheme of things is not better than Worthy because what good is a great player if he's not great when you need him to be? __________________ Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

11-10-2002, 08:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
Da Grinch X-Mas Taker Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nyc Posts: 8,386 Rep Power: 2256496	a starting line up of wilkins moses malone reggie theus kevin willis and doc rivers should have gotten past the 2nd once dont you think once ? if wilkns was as good as people say he is can you name a player that is top 50 that never got as far as the conf. finals in his entire career ? i dont think you can __________________ Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

11-11-2002, 12:17 AM	#26 (permalink)
Da Grinch X-Mas Taker Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nyc Posts: 8,386 Rep Power: 2256496	well if want to get rid of someone for lack of longevity you could always throw out Bill Walton who when healthy played really well but didn't play for very long at that level walton played in 468 career games(it comes out to less than 6 82 game seasons) and most of it was not a dominant player by that point shaq hadn't won any titles but he did at least get to the finals and was probably the best center in the game at the time the 50 best players were announced he did deserve it imo __________________ Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

11-11-2002, 10:00 AM	#30 (permalink)
Big John Star Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,722 Rep Power: 5380	Maybe Wilkins didn't make it because people remembered how badly he played when he came to the Celtics. He was an embarrassment. But he does deserve to rank ahead of Arizin, who was a jump shooter but not much else. Lists like the one published in '96 are always subject to change. Kobe and Kidd aren't on the list either. If you did another list in 2003, they would definitely be on it. These lists are also popularity contests. Why is Walton on the list? He had a couple of great years, then hurt his foot. Career-wise his stats are mediocre. Last edited by Big John; 11-11-2002 at 10:06 AM.

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11-10-2002, 02:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
Villa909 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Worthy over Wilkins is definitely questionable. Look at the career averages... Wilkins: 24.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists. Worthy: 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.0 assists. Career numbers Wilkins: 1074 games, 26,668 points, 7169 rebounds, 2,677 assists, 1378 steals, 642 blocks, 46.1 FG %, 81.1 FT%. 7 time all NBA 9 time all-star Worthy: 926 games, 16,320 points, 4,707 rebounds, 2791 assists, 1041 steals, 624 blocks, 52.1 FG%, 76.9 FT%. 2 time all NBA 7 time all-star

11-10-2002, 03:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
Scuall Veteran Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,866 Rep Power: 3670819	Worthy = key component on a Lakers squad that won several (3 or 4) championships. Champsionships are a key component of being named to that all 50, take a look of all the Celtic greats listed. It's arguable, but I surmise that a Worthy in-his-prime would have put up the same numbers as Wilkins. I do have to admit though... Magic to Nique would've made Showtime even more fun.

11-10-2002, 04:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
Villa909 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Rings don't make a player, had Nique played with Magic he's sure to have more than a couple. And had Worthy been in Nique's spot he's sure to have none.

11-10-2002, 07:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
tinygiant Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 38 Posts: 513 Rep Power: 11	Actually, Wilkins did have some great playoff series. He just never had the rest of the team around him to go very far. As great as someone can be, no one can win playoffs by themselves. Think about Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics (the highest playoff mark ever) but they lost. I would have to agree with those who say that if Wilkins had played with Magic, Kareem, Scott etc. he probably would've had a few rings too.

11-11-2002, 12:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
ez8o5 6th Man Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southern Cali Age: 30 Posts: 254 Rep Power: 6112	i think that Nique should of been on the list instead of ShaQ, cuz that list was composed back in 97' and that was only ShaQ's 5th year in the league he hadn't won any championships yet plus he was the youngest guy on the list and he could wait to be in like an all NBA at 60 or somethin, if it would ever happen again

11-11-2002, 09:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
truebluefan Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 58,314 Rep Power: 2273049	Someone mentioned iceman doesn't deserve to be there. I beg to differ! They didnt call him iceman for nothing! If you kept the game close, he would rip your heart out at the end of it!! Nique does deserve to be in the top 50 but it is difficult to take anyone out of it!!

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