[SoCalfan21]

NEWS FLASH............KOBE IS BETTER THAN TMAC AND AI

[jc76ers]

ehl / kflo,

here's some excerpt taken from one of my links i gave you....

"I'm happy I left. It looks like the right time to leave," Jackson said. "They wanted to make some moves to accommodate signing Kobe. We knew they probably wouldn't work if I was coaching the team."

The direction the Zen Master couldn't follow? Kobe's Way.

"A championship wasn't enough to make Kobe happy. I noticed it wasn't enough. It was OK. It was a notch in his belt. But it wasn't his end result."

sure seems like kobe and phil had problems and lakers sided with kobe. seriously, these exceprts are not hard to find at all. just click on the damn link and read. you guys probably wanted me to show you exact proof because you thought i'd be too lazy to actually
quote my own links. thats just a pretty low tactic on your parts.


just because your guys cannot/refuse to comprehend simple paragraphs and links in my arguments makes me think that you guys are just BS-ing in every way possible.

[jc76ers]

ehl,

Pull up tape from last summer, Kobe did an interview (LA Times I believe) and said that “I would never do anything like that” when asked about the rape accusations. He did not comment at all about whether he had consensual sex with the accuser. Lord you’re misinformed.

where? where does he say that he was talking about the rape incidnet? give me the proof? got any quotes? got any links? actually you better just give me the exact quotes since i am gonna do what you did to me and say that i read the links but i didn't find anything related to kobe incident. and make sure you tell me what newspaper. what date? and what time? and who the author is so that i can know its legit. and make sure its numerous articles since 3 doesn't seem to be enough. how do you like a taste of your own medicine?

dude...i know what you are talking about the "i would never do anything like that" quote and he was trying to explain that he had nothing to do with the girl. don't try to spin it off like he was just only referring to the "rape"
the guy flatout lied to reporters!! also, do you know that he even lied to the cops when they first interviewed him? he denied the whole incidnet! i'm sure you know about it, but refuse to bring it up.

just because i know about this quote doesn't excuse you from bringing a quote/article. remember, at least 3.

[EHL]

Originally posted by <b>jc76ers</b>!
here's some excerpt taken from one of my links i gave you....

sure seems like kobe and phil had problems and lakers sided with kobe.

That’s very good JC. Now, I’m going to politely ask you to do some critical thinking; exactly what part of those quotes insinuates or states that Kobe in any way directly pushed Shaq and Phil out of the organization this summer? Unless you live in the 4th dimension of a parallel galaxy, having a disagreement with a coach doesn’t mean that person pushed him out of the organization. Not being satisfied with winning doesn’t mean you pushed people out of the organization.

At best, you can theorize Jerry Buss realized that Kobe’s philosophy towards basketball made Phil Jackson a bad fit as coach, and since it's well known that Shaq loved playing for Phil Jackson, Shaq was therefore extremely displeased with Buss when Phil was fired. Which is why Shaq asked for a trade, among other intricacies we probably don't know about. That’s a pretty decent theory for people who think logically.

But your spurious assumptions and poorly researched conjecture is not even close to any sort of logical explanation as to why Shaq and Phil left. Ironically, that is supported by the very articles you linked, which I have to assume you either didn’t read or didn’t think about carefully.

seriously, these exceprts are not hard to find at all. just click on the damn link and read. you guys probably wanted me to show you exact proof because you thought i'd be too lazy to actually
quote my own links. thats just a pretty low tactic on your parts.

What’s so low about it? As evidenced above, you clearly have very little ability to analyze simple sentences. I don’t want to sound harsh, but I’m trying to be straight forward here.

Originally posted by <b>jc76ers</b>!
where? where does he say that he was talking about the rape incidnet? give me the proof? got any quotes?

Yes, here it is:

Speaking publicly for the first time since he was accused of sexual assault, Kobe Bryant denied the allegations [in case you didn’t know JC, they were sexual assault allegations] and said he "would never do something like that."

"When everything comes clean, it will all be fine, you'll see," Bryant, 24, told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Sunday.

This is very, very simple stuff.

what date?

July 12th, 2003.

and what time?

Afternoon, EST.

and who the author is so that i can know its legit.

The Los Angeles Times, CBS Broadcasting Incorporated, and ABC News Internet Ventures.

and make sure its numerous articles since 3 doesn't seem to be enough.

1) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in563866.shtml
2) http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/G...e_Sidebar.html
3) http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,4431162.story

how do you like a taste of your own medicine?

It tastes pretty good. I’m partial to cherry Dimetapp myself.

dude...i know what you are talking about the "i would never do anything like that" quote and he was trying to explain that he had nothing to do with the girl. don't try to spin it off like he was just only referring to the "rape"

And as shown above, you are 100% wrong.

the guy flatout lied to reporters!!

You are flatout wrong!!

also, do you know that he even lied to the cops when they first interviewed him? he denied the whole incidnet! i'm sure you know about it, but refuse to bring it up.

*edited: Attack only the arguments, not the person*.

just because i know about this quote doesn't excuse you from bringing a quote/article. remember, at least 3.

It’s done, as shown above. By the way, it took me about 3 minutes to find all that information.

So, can we move on now that it’s obvious you’ve been…

[U reach, I teach]

Originally posted by <b>EHL</b>!


That’s very good JC. Now, I’m going to politely ask you to do some critical thinking; exactly what part of those quotes insinuates or states that Kobe in any way directly pushed Shaq and Phil out of the organization this summer? Unless you live in the 4th dimension of a parallel galaxy, having a disagreement with a coach doesn’t mean that person pushed him out of the organization. Not being satisfied with winning doesn’t mean you pushed people out of the organization.

At best, you can theorize Jerry Buss realized that Kobe’s philosophy towards basketball made Phil Jackson a bad fit as coach, and since it's well known that Shaq loved playing for Phil Jackson, Shaq was therefore extremely displeased with Buss when Phil was fired. Which is why Shaq asked for a trade, among other intricacies we probably don't know about. That’s a pretty decent theory for people who think logically.

But your spurious assumptions and poorly researched conjecture is not even close to any sort of logical explanation as to why Shaq and Phil left. Ironically, that is supported by the very articles you linked, which I have to assume you either didn’t read or didn’t think about carefully.



What’s so low about it? As evidenced above, you clearly have very little ability to analyze simple sentences. I don’t want to sound harsh, but I’m trying to be straight forward here.



Yes, here it is:

Speaking publicly for the first time since he was accused of sexual assault, Kobe Bryant denied the allegations [in case you didn’t know JC, they were sexual assault allegations] and said he "would never do something like that."

"When everything comes clean, it will all be fine, you'll see," Bryant, 24, told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Sunday.

This is very, very simple stuff.



July 12th, 2003.



Afternoon, EST.



The Los Angeles Times, CBS Broadcasting Incorporated, and ABC News Internet Ventures.



1) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in563866.shtml
2) http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/G...e_Sidebar.html
3) http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,4431162.story



It tastes pretty good. I’m partial to cherry Dimetapp myself.



And as shown above, you are 100% wrong.



You are flatout wrong!!



*edited*



It’s done, as shown above. By the way, it took me about 3 minutes to find all that information.

So, can we move on now that it’s obvious you’ve been…

[jc76ers]

ehl

That’s very good JC. Now, I’m going to politely ask you to do some critical thinking; exactly what part of those quotes insinuates or states that Kobe in any way directly pushed Shaq and Phil out of the organization this summer? Unless you live in the 4th dimension of a parallel galaxy, having a disagreement with a coach doesn’t mean that person pushed him out of the organization. Not being satisfied with winning doesn’t mean you pushed people out of the organization.

now i'm gonna politely ask you to take your so called thinking and take it to the next level. Phil is the coach yes?? so he should have authority over players? Obviously Phil and kobe had a disagreement. Kobe, being subordinate to Phil, refused to adapt to Phil's demands. Thus, he is saying 'its either me or phil. I'm not gonna change.'
same applies for shaq. kobe doesn't want to pass the ball to shaq. he makes it clear he wants to be the clearcut no.1 option. they have a stand still and laker management supported kobe. so in essence, Kobe "drove" out shaq and phil. if you cannot put together pieces of the puzzle, then you really need to take some logic classes.
sure...kobe didn't come out and say "I want Phil and Shaq out' but he said it through his actions by not accomodating to shaq and phil despite their actions and philosophies netted them 3 titles. but obviously, you would accept nothing less than an actual quote from Kobe since you think if kobe said it, then it MUST be true. hahaaha!!
I cannot believe I have to actually explain this to you.

At best, you can theorize Jerry Buss realized that Kobe’s philosophy towards basketball made Phil Jackson a bad fit as coach, and since it's well known that Shaq loved playing for Phil Jackson, Shaq was therefore extremely displeased with Buss when Phil was fired. Which is why Shaq asked for a trade, among other intricacies we probably don't know about. That’s a pretty decent theory for people who think logically.

oh my goodness. its a miracle. you are actually getting a piece of the puzzle right. keep it up. your almost there.

Speaking publicly for the first time since he was accused of sexual assault, Kobe Bryant denied the allegations [in case you didn’t know JC, they were sexual assault allegations] and said he "would never do something like that."

dude...its obviously kobe was trying to brush off the incident to the reporters - both the rape allegations and any form of sexual activity. when reporters asked him about the "sexual assault", they want to know the whole shebang.
if kobe wanted to clear his name, he should have said, hell no i didn't rape the girl. we screwed but i didn't rape her.' his defense attorney coached him well. but okay fine genius....you want to get by on a technicality....

so i was wrong about him lying to the reporters. good job EHL! I respect your more for that. I guess my memory was a bit hazy. he didn't lie to the reporters, but he didn't tell the whole truth. however, he still lied to the cops when they first interviewed him. how come you didn't comment on that??

You are flatout wrong!! (regarding lying to the reporters)

yup, you got me there. hopefully, you too can admit you are wrong when you are, but i don't see you doing that. he still lied to the cops. you want to admit you were wrong there?

*edited*

thats all you got to say regarding his llie to the cops. pretty pathetic. be a man and admit you were wrong.

and just you like to be all technical about stuff.... what are you talking about being owned? are you saying that you own me? thats a lie. no you don't. where is your recipt or your entitlement? when did you make the purchase? your the one that wanted to be all technical about things.....


u reach, i teach....just out of politeness, how does it feel to be EHL lackey?

[jc76ers]

ehl,

more critiques....

U may have misunderstood what I said. What I said was that had kobe not done his job, and had not tried to distribute to players LIKE payton or fisher, then we would blame him. If kobe does his job, and (among others) payton and fisher aren't stepping up, why is that Kobe's fault?? How is it a copout to blame the players that aren't performing (as the shaw, horry type players did) and not blame the players that are??

kobe didn't do his job. he refused to pass the rock to SHAQ. kobe was stinking up the joint with his 38% FG yet, he still shot the most times. SHAQ was simply dominating at 65%. you proved my point. so are you gonna blame kobe now?

[A Seal Clubber]

Bump because bballlife hasn't had a chance to respond to this reply:

Originally posted by <b>Minstrel</b>!




No, I don't think anyone believes that, you included, considering that you're the authour of the previous quote as well, naming Shaq as the guy the team was built around.

They built around Shaq but Kobe was the main man? Good luck with that one. In reality, you have two divergent quotes because you wanted to have an argument to excuse the Lakers falling off greatly when Kobe was the main guy (when Shaq was out) yet no fall-off (in fact, an increase in record) when Kobe was out.

[Jordan4life_2004]

For 8 seasons Kobe Bryant has led what I call "the good life". Ever since he walked into the league as a hotshot 18 year old, he's been on teams that were serious contenders for a championship. To go along with that fact that even though he's a top 10 player, he's never been the focal point of an opponents defense. For 8 seasons. The question for any team going up against the Lakers is "How in gods name do we stop Shaq?". Therefore Kobe has never had to deal with constant double and triple teaming, trapping, teams basing their whole defensive game plan on stopping him from scoring. T-mac has had to go through that. Ai has had to go through that. Paul Pierce has had to go through that. I'm sure if you ask any of them. It ain't easy.

Kobe will have to go full throttle every minute of every game on offense and defense for the Lakers to have any chance at being a playoff team this year. That means no more saving up your energy for 2 or 3 quarters aka "letting Shaq carry the load" then using all that saved energy to go off in the 4th quarter "which he did a lot".

Kobe got what he wanted. He wanted to be the man. But I believe there's a saying that goes exactly like this. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!

[quick]

Kobeboy can't make other players around him better something he won't succeed in. The only thing he does to make other players better is making them pass the ball to him more so that he can hog the ball!

[City_Dawg]