[BEEZ]

Originally posted by jmk!


Actually, in Iverson's case, being a step or two slower could make him half the player he was. The majority of AI's game depends on his quickness. It is quite obvious from watching USA ball that he has certainly lost a good amount of the speed he once had.

I just don't get why everyone is so high on Philly all of a sudden. They were a bad team last year, and I expect them to be a bad team this year. Iguodala will probably take at least 2 years to develop into a solid contributor for them.

I'm sorry if I am in the minority, but when I hear the names Glenn Robinson, Kenny Thomas, Willie Green, and so on, let's just say I don't exactly get a hard on like it seems everyone else does.

If all he depended on was his speed then Tyrone Lue, Troy Hudson, Speedy Claxton are all on the same level as AI. AI being step slower is still faster than most the guys in the league. Also with him playing point he has to get the team in the offense involved, hes not going to be running up and down the court and forgetting about everybody. Nice try trying to use the Olympics as a basis on this upcoming season. The team was bad last year why? Iverson was hurt, Glenn RObinson was hurt, the entire team was hurt so its not like they were just bad because they couldnt win. Everyone of importance was out for a stretch last season

[jmk]

Originally posted by BEEZ!


If all he depended on was his speed then Tyrone Lue, Troy Hudson, Speedy Claxton are all on the same level as AI. AI being step slower is still faster than most the guys in the league. Also with him playing point he has to get the team in the offense involved, hes not going to be running up and down the court and forgetting about everybody. Nice try trying to use the Olympics as a basis on this upcoming season. The team was bad last year why? Iverson was hurt, Glenn RObinson was hurt, the entire team was hurt so its not like they were just bad because they couldnt win. Everyone of importance was out for a stretch last season

Please don't misquote me and play it off as though I said it. I said most of AI's game stems from his quickness, which it does. What do you mean "nice try." It is obvious to me, watching the Olympic exhibition games, that AI is not nearly as fast as last year.

If everyone was "hurt" last year, what makes you think they are not all going to be "hurt" this year? I don't think they will be a good team this year. Their starting lineup actually helps prove my point.

[BEEZ]

Originally posted by jmk!


Please don't misquote me and play it off as though I said it. I said most of AI's game stems from his quickness, which it does. What do you mean "nice try." It is obvious to me, watching the Olympic exhibition games, that AI is not nearly as fast as last year.

If everyone was "hurt" last year, what makes you think they are not all going to be "hurt" this year? I don't think they will be a good team this year. Their starting lineup actually helps prove my point.

Dont misquote you, this is what you said:

Originally posted by jmk!


I don't see why everyone has jumped on the Phila bandwagon. Iverson doesn't look like half the player he used to be. I see them having trouble even making the playoffs.

then:

Actually, in Iverson's case, being a step or two slower could make him half the player he was. The majority of AI's game depends on his quickness. It is quite obvious from watching USA ball that he has certainly lost a good amount of the speed he once had.

I just don't get why everyone is so high on Philly all of a sudden. They were a bad team last year, and I expect them to be a bad team this year. Iguodala will probably take at least 2 years to develop into a solid contributor for them.

I'm sorry if I am in the minority, but when I hear the names Glenn Robinson, Kenny Thomas, Willie Green, and so on, let's just say I don't exactly get a hard on like it seems everyone else does.

I dont think any misqouting went on, once again I dont see how you can equate anything thats going on in the Olympics to what happened last year. If anything he looks better and quicker this year than last because of his injury plagued season so Im not so certain you know what you are talking about coming from a 76ers season ticket holder in myself.

Lets compare starting lineups shall we

PG Iverson PG????????????? Kidd wont be healthy
SG Willie Green SG Plannic a wash.
SF Glenn Robinson SF Richard Jefferson
PF Kenny Thomas PF ????????????
C Dalembert C Kristic

I think the Sixers starters are much better than the Nets and the Sixers bench is much deeper.

Sorry

[jmk]

Originally posted by BEEZ!


Dont misquote you, this is what you said:


then:


I dont think any misqouting went on, once again I dont see how you can equate anything thats going on in the Olympics to what happened last year. If anything he looks better and quicker this year than last because of his injury plagued season so Im not so certain you know what you are talking about coming from a 76ers season ticket holder in myself.

Lets compare starting lineups shall we

PG Iverson PG????????????? Kidd wont be healthy
SG Willie Green SG Plannic a wash.
SF Glenn Robinson SF Richard Jefferson
PF Kenny Thomas PF ????????????
C Dalembert C Kristic

I think the Sixers starters are much better than the Nets and the Sixers bench is much deeper.

Sorry

Actually, you're not even looking at the right post.

If all he depended on was his speed then Tyrone Lue, Troy Hudson, Speedy Claxton are all on the same level as AI.

You see, I said no such thing. I said speed and quickness made up most of AI's game, not all of it.

Those starters are wrong, by the way.

C- Dalembert > Collins

I despise Collins and hope he doesn't start, but he will.

PF- Thomas > Krstic

Thomas will likely be better than whoever the Nets start at the 4, unless the Nets can get Swift, Rahim, or if Krstic puts in a Gasol-like rookie campaign.

SF- Williams > Robinson

Eric Williams isn't better than many at the 3, but most are better than Robinson. I include Williams in that group.

SG- Jefferson > Green

There is no question here.

PG- Kidd > Iverson

Surgery reportedly went well, and Kidd should be fully healthy within the first few games of the season. Kidd is the top PG in the game, therefore AI cannot be better than him.


I still think Rod Thorn has a trick up his sleeve. We have built up a decent bench that will consist of Aaron Williams, Brian Scalabrine, Ron Mercer, Jacque Vaughn, and Rodney Buford, but Rod Thorn has been hinting at it all along. I see him filling the post with a good player. Whether it be Stromile Swift and Shareef Abdur-Rahim or someone else is yet to be known, but I have faith in Rod.

[P2TheTruth34]

For the $ he makes Eric Williams maybe better than G-Rob but hes not overall. Eric takes some horrible shots and can be beat easily on defense if he plays someone quick cuz they can run right by him. I agree tho that everyone all of a sudden sees Philly as a greatly improved team from a year ago and I just dont see it. And whoever said Kedrick Brown is key has never seen him play as he is an absolute moron when it comes to actually playin the game. I know his defense is good but it is like having one less player on offense. I had huge hopes for him on the Celtics but he doesn't play with confidence or a brain haha. But the Nets suck no doubt. The Celtics moves have in no way made them worse for this upcoming season then they would be but they lose Banks who is young and people feel he has talent altho I dont see him as being more than a change of pace guy because of his speed because he has no PG skills.

[agoo101284]

Originally posted by LB26matrixns!


The KEY is the addition of Andre Iguodala and Kedrick Brown......two athletic young swingmen who can play D. You'll see Dalembert featured more.

By midseason don't be surprised if you see these five players on the floor when Philly needs to make a push:

Dalembert
Thomas
Brown
Iguodala
Iverson

BY FAR a better team than they were last year. BY FAR better than the rest of their division.

You know absolutely nothing about Kedrick Brown, don't you? He might be the worst player in the NBA. If Philly is relying on him for anything, its going to be a long, long season.

I really don't understand why people are hating on Boston. We improved the roster this offseason. Even with that deal. We've only lost Banks, Atkins, and Mihm this offseason. Mihm wasn't going to be back anyway. Payton, while not the player he was, is better than Atkins is. And while I think Banks will be an all-star someday, West can't play much worse than he did last season. Al Jefferson will step in and be a good player off the bench. Perkins performed quite well in the summer league and should be able to take 10 mpg this season. Most importantly, Raef will be on the floor. Say what you will about his contract, if he was getting MLE type money, he would not be overpaid at all.

Also, lets not forget that our coaching situation is light years ahead of where it was last season.

As for the Nets, if Kidd plays, they're still playoff worthy. If he doesn't, whether it be because of injury or trade, then they're in serious trouble.

[lastlaugh]

The logic of some Celtics fans


:Yesterday (When he was a Celtic) Marcus Banks was the second coming of Gary Payton in his prime.
:Today (when he isn't a Celtic) he is now an overrated.

*a few months ago (when he was a Celtic) This was going to be Kedrick Brown's coming out party. "When Kedrick is playing he will be the difference because he is so athletic"
* today (now that he isn't a Celtic player) He might be the worst player in the NBA

: yesterday (when he wasn't a Celtic player) Gary Payton was the reason the Lakers lost, he sucks etc...
: Today (now that he is a Celtic player) Gary Payton is much better then Chucky Atkins

*yesterday (when he was a Celtic) Chucky Atkins was our spark plug, he was the reason we made the playoffs.
* now (that he isn't a Celtic player) Boy that Gary Payton is going to be our savior. He is much better then Chucky Atkins

Talk about being a homer. Soon enough you will all be changing your names to Bill Simmons and be spouting that Danny Ainge is the GM of the year!

[The True Essence]

"Dalembert
Thomas
Brown
Iguodala
Iverson"

that lineup is better then the knicks?

marbury, houston, thomas, thomas, mohamed? and crawford off the bench is better then every g/f the sixers have anyway.

i think the knicks are ">" in every position except center

kedrick brown........your kidding me.

[agoo101284]

Originally posted by PennyHardaway!
"Dalembert
Thomas
Brown
Iguodala
Iverson"

that lineup is better then the knicks?

marbury, houston, thomas, thomas, mohamed? and crawford off the bench is better then every g/f the sixers have anyway.

i think the knicks are ">" in every position except center

kedrick brown........your kidding me.

Marbury over Iverson? I don't think so. Even if Iverson isn't a point guard, he's better than Marbury. Also, the difference between Kenny Thomas and Kurt Thomas is pretty much a name and a uniform. I think you'll see Corliss starting at SF for the 6ers, and he's pretty damn close to Tim Thomas. And, as I've noticed Knick fans have a tendency to do, I think you're horribly overrating the difference between Houston and Iggy. While its there, its not that significant as Iverson, Iggy, and Dalembert will be flying up and down the floor after steals by the backourt, blocks by the center and boards from Thomas and Williamson. The 76ers are dangerous in the East and I think will move ahead of the Knicks this season.

[ehmunro]

Originally posted by lastlaugh!
The logic of some Celtics fans


:Yesterday (When he was a Celtic) Marcus Banks was the second coming of Gary Payton in his prime.
:Today (when he isn't a Celtic) he is now an overrated.

*a few months ago (when he was a Celtic) This was going to be Kedrick Brown's coming out party. "When Kedrick is playing he will be the difference because he is so athletic"
* today (now that he isn't a Celtic player) He might be the worst player in the NBA

: yesterday (when he wasn't a Celtic player) Gary Payton was the reason the Lakers lost, he sucks etc...
: Today (now that he is a Celtic player) Gary Payton is much better then Chucky Atkins

*yesterday (when he was a Celtic) Chucky Atkins was our spark plug, he was the reason we made the playoffs.
* now (that he isn't a Celtic player) Boy that Gary Payton is going to be our savior. He is much better then Chucky Atkins

Talk about being a homer. Soon enough you will all be changing your names to Bill Simmons and be spouting that Danny Ainge is the GM of the year!

You obviously don't know Celtics fans. At one time the Celtics were the MFYs of the NBA, and a good portion of Celtics fandom was every bit as charming as MFY fans. They've been frustrated by 12 years of losing. So frustrated that they hated their two winning teams for not winning "The Celtics Way". Yeah, it's been that long since they've gone to a real live game.

Kedrick Brown is on his way to Europe after this season. Atkins couldn't play defense (which was why I was opposed to the deal), but is an OK offensive point guard. Gary Payton wasn't the reason the Lakers lost the title, but he wasn't good, either. He's still better than Chucky Atkins. Marcus could well turn into Gary Payton Lite, but it took Chauncey five years to really find his feet as an NBA point guard, so Banks may want to hold off on those All Star game reservations for a little while. Next year's draft pool will be loaded with point guards, given a pair of picks Boston should be able to land Gilchrist or Felton to be a replacement for Banks. In a worst case scenario, they can use all that cap space that they'll get from the Raefer Reefer deal to sign someone like Tony Parker.