[FanOfAll8472]

Originally posted by JNice!
I've got 5 bucks on no more than 3 more posts before someone busts out with Telfair's shooting percentages in HS to dispute your post.

I think 50 of us should chip in 10 cents to pay you .

This poll has been done before. I'll take Telfair over Livingston. Not sure why, but call it a hunch.

[Blazer Freak]

Telfair's Stats at bottom of Page

Telfair

33.2 PPG
9.2 APG
3.7 RPG
1.0 BPG
3.0 SPG
73.8 FT %
45.0 3FG%
53.4 FG%

That was last years stats. Saying he is a bad shooter is nonsense, he shot 53.4% last year and 48.5 in his HS Career.

Livingston's Stats at bottom of page

Livingston

18.0 PPG
5.7 APG
6.2 RPG
2.2 BPG
3.0 SPG
78.2 FT%
33.8 3FG%
50.9 FG%

Also last years stats, so I guess then Shaun is an even worse shooter than Telfair?

Just though I'd share this.

BFreak.

[Blazer Freak]

Also, If Telfair's size makes a diff. then why is TJ Ford so great in people eyes? I dont get it. Someone care to explain this too me? Also, I think Jameer has a higher chance to become a Stoudamire then Telfair, Telfair has better passing and I think he is quicker then Jameer and Stoudamire. I like his chances in the NBA better than Jameer's.


Now Jameer might have better stats next year because he is the primary backup, Telfair is 3rd string.


BFreak.

[Blazer Freak]

Forgot another thing, If Livingston is so good shouldn't his APG be up higher and his PPG??? The guy is 6'7, he should be posting the PG's or w/e up if he can't find an open man. Telfair was the best player on his team, well he didn't really have a team, but he still managed 9 almost 10 APG, he then added on 33 PPG. Now I know this is just HS, but don't these stats mean something. The 3FG% is a wash because the NBA 3 is farther out, but still the FG% means something because a jumpshot is a jumpshot.

BFreak.

[JNice]

Originally posted by FanOfAll8472!

I think 50 of us should chip in 10 cents to pay you .

This poll has been done before. I'll take Telfair over Livingston. Not sure why, but call it a hunch.

Looks like I lost.

[Spriggan]

Originally posted by Pan Mengtu!


Was he going up against point guards at tall as 6'5", 6'6" in high school? Was he shooting an NBA three? Were there guys who could actually keep up with him in high school?

No, no, no.

Give me one reason to think Telfair will be the equal of Livingston. Just one.

give me one reason why you think he will be a terrible shooter in the NBA when he shot lights out in HS.

and a real reason, please. not speculation that he will all of a sudden develop a lebron james jumper just because he is going up against bigger guys.

[Pan Mengtu]

give me one reason why you think he will be a terrible shooter in the NBA when he shot lights out in HS.

Scouting reports.

[Spriggan]

Originally posted by Pan Mengtu!


Scouting reports.

those are always accurate.

[remy23]

Originally posted by Pan Mengtu!


Scouting reports.

I saw Telfair play in person several times and he has beautiful form. With sound mechanics (no hitches, flawed technique), a player should at least be a decent shooter provided he practices hard. If Telfair remains a poor shooter his whole NBA career, I would honestly be shocked and disappointed. If he doesn't become a decent shooter, then he didn't fulfill his potential.

[bigbabyjesus]

People who say Telfair can't shoot, or even worse has horrible shooting mechanics, definitely have never seen him play. His shot is actually good, and his stroke is picture perfect. The only thing that is wrong with his shooting right now is like all players coming out of high school, that it is inconsistent.

And about the argument, it's a very tough one. I think both will be perennial all-stars.

Shaun Livingston obviously has one huge factor on Telfair that cannot be taught and that is height. Already being 6'7 puts him at a huge advantage. But Telfair more than makes up for his lack of height with his cat like quickness, and toughness. Telfair also has a solid frame for a guy coming straight out of high school, while Livingston has a rail thin frame, but that can be changed, and Livingston has already shown his work ethic by putting on some much needed weight before draft time, and we will hopefully see even more weight put on throughout the summer.

A lot of people think Livingston will move over to the 2/3 spot as his career goes on, but I'm not one that thinks so. Both of these guys are pure as you can get point guards, and given Livingston's ability to see the floor so well, and have incredible passing skills, his talent would definitely be put to better use at the point guard spot. The court vision, and passing skills of these two guys are almost untouched. It’s like they can predict something on the court before it happens. But with all the flair they have, both can make simple passes, and won’t let their passing get out of hand. Telfair, especially has been criticized of this but he has solid fundamentals, blended together with flair and excitement. Both are also extremely skilled ball handlers. They are both awesome in this category in the game, and are pretty much equal, but Livingston could maybe have a slight advantage because his height allows him to see the court better.

As for scoring, Telfair is the better scorer now, but Livingston has the potential to be a completely awesome scorer. You can tell by Bassy’s high school stats that he is a very talented scorer, and can easily blow by defenders with his amazing quickness, and go right into the big men without any fear at all. His shooting touch also makes him a very dangerous scorer on the floor. Once he can develop more of a midrange game, he’ll be even scarier of a scorer, and has tons of potential in this department. And for Livingston, he has a huge advantage over almost every point guard in the league with his 6’7 long frame. He can use his height to be a tremendous scorer. I think that he can become a Jalen Rose type scorer, but a much smarter player as he will not jack up jump shot after jump shot. I’m not comparing him to Rose as an offensive player, because he is a PG, but as a scorer because like Rose, I think his jumpshot will be similar, as it is streaky, and although it is not Peja-like, it is effective if it is put with a smart player. Rose also has a lanky frame, like Livingston has, and that would allow Shaun to shoot over point guards much easier with his long arms, and he will be able to effectively back down his man into the post and draw a foul, and simply just score them. Both will be good scorers, but Livingston’s potential as a scorer is really scary.

With all their offensive talent, both do have a lot of potential on the other end of the floor too. Both are very good defenders now, and have potential to be top tier defenders in this league. Telfair has the edge in one sense, because he is very aggressive, and will get up on his man and bug the hell out of him. His quickness will help him a lot, and he will be able to stay in front of the likes of Arenas, Parker ect. that many point guards just cannot do. He will be a pesky defender, but not the Allen Iverson-risky type, but the stay in front of his man-smart type defender. Livingston has an advantage in another sense, and that is size. Livingston has an enormous wingspan, which will disrupt the passing lanes and almost smother his opponent, making it very hard for the player to see the floor or make a play without it being cut off. His athleticism is not the best, but is extremely underrated. He can keep up with most point guards, but will have problems with the quicker ones, like almost every other guy does. I think on the defensive end, Telfair will have the advantage, but both have all-defensive team potential.

Along with these physical abilities, both have great leadership abilities, are very smart players, and have strong work ethics. This is a huge reason to why I think both will be successful players in the league. We’ve seen less talented players rise to the top of the league because they have these qualities. Put those things with the talent these two have, and the sky is truly the limit.

It’s almost impossible to say who will be the better player right now, but we should have a clearer view at the end of the season. I’ll bring this back up then.