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People continue to sleep on the mavericks

Cuban is leading this team in the right direction:

He drafted josh howard. second team all rookie
He signed marquis daniels as a free agent. second team all rookie

He traded raef and nve (who played a COMBINED 57 games last year) and acquired delk, fortson, jamison and walker. Jamison went on to be the sixth man of the year. NVe and Raef went on to sit on ir for the majority of the year.

That trade did what it was supposed to do. Give the mavs MORE REBOUNDING cause they were getting killed on the glass every year.

They were second in the nba in rebounds per game and first in offensive rebounds.

This team has an 87 mil team payroll. cuban is sick of paying 120 mil for this team every time out. Obviously you don't understand how the luxury cap works. Cuban has to pay the team salary of 87 million then ANOTHER 40 TO 45 MIL TO THE NBA FOR BEING OVER THE CAP by that much. That's ridiculous. So not only is he making this team YOUNGER. He's also cutting team payroll while STILL putting out a competitive team that can do the damn thing.

The mavs gave themselves "insurance on the steve nash free agent situation" by acquiring devin harris (who is all they really wanted), laettner, and stackhouse for jamison. Laettner ( SIX MIL SALARY) comes off the books next year. Stack comes off the books in three more years (8 mil)

The mavs offered steve nash 11 million. He went to phoenix for 13 million after the mavs traded for him when he was a 3rd string pg and signed him TO A HUGE EXTENSION EVEN THOUGH HE'D NEVER BEEN A STARTING PG IN THE NBA IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER. The first 2 years he sucked badly. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHEN HE "WASN'T HURT" which was alot during that time.

So what should the mavs have done? gave a 5 year 65 million dollar deal to a player that is already 30 years old? LOL that's insane. Why do that when you got devin harris waiting in the wings?

Then after summercamp the mavs decided that harris "could start if necessary" but didn't wanna rush him so they traded walker for hendersen and terry and a first round draft pick. Henderson (8 mil) comes off the books next year and the mavs have an "NVE like" pg to run the team while harris adjusts to the nba game.

The the mavs brought in a 7 foot african big man who has the build of ben wallace and is athletic as hell. *see pic below*

www.phyrstamendment.com/dj.jpg

This guy has like a 7 7 wingspan and blocked 80 shots in 120 mins of summer league action. He's a MONSTER on the defensive side of the ball.

Then the mavs traded fortson (who was not gonna get any major pt this year) for booth (who can block shots and rebound) to give them a lil more size at the center position.

How can you guys hate on cuban for making this TEAM YOUNGER, BETTER DEFENSIVELY, AND MORE ATHLETIC while building his team around HIS SUPERSTAR DIRK NOWITSKI? Aint that what you sposed to do? Dirk is just now about to hit his prime and cuban is letting him know that the mavs are NOW HIS TEAM.

mavs young players:

Dirk is 26
Daniels is 23
Howard is 24
Harris is 21
Pavel is 19
D.J is 24
Steffanson is 22
And Terry is just about to turn 27


mavs vets:

Fin is 31
Booth is 28
Bradley is 32
Najera is 28
Laettner is 35
Stack is 30
Hendersen is 32

All Dirk needs to do is build on his RIDICULOUS postseason last year and it's on and popping.

Dirk averaged 27 points 11 boards 3 blocks 1 steal and 1 dime a game this past postseason. That's just a ridiculous statline. For the first time in 3 YEARS his ankles aren't bothering him. He will be top three in scoring this year and grab around 10 or 11 boards and block 2 to 3 shots this year. I mean this guy just put up 32, 13, and 3 on the USA team like it wasn't nothing where there are ALLSTARS at every position. Do you honestly think he won't torch teams that only have ONE ALLSTAR on their team? LOL


Daniels, terry, harris, and howard are ALL BALL HAWKS. They wreck havoc in the lanes.

Daniels was in the top ten in spg in the playoffs swiping 2 a game.
Terry was in the top 20 in the nba in spg last year swiping damn near 2 a game.

Harris, Daniels, and Howard were all averaging 3 steals apiece during summer leagues

Daniels also showed how capable he is of being a starting sg by averaging 18 points 6 boards and 5 dimes and 2 steals in the month of april while shooting 49 percent from the field. This wasnt just some stretch at the end of the season where the mavs were just playing young guys cause their season was over either. They were STILL FIGHTING FOR HOMECOURT IN ROUND 1 OF THE PLAYOFFS AND DANIELS DID HIS THING AND EARNED HIS CONTRACT WHEN THE HEAT WAS ON.


now you have Booth, D.j, and bradley at center. All three of these guys can swat 2 to 3 shots when they step on the court at any given moment. Now that shaq is in the east who do the mavs really have to fear center wise? Besides yao there's no great center in the west anymore.

I'm pretty sure that booth, d.j and bradley can hold their own with rasho, kandiman, brad miller, vlade's old azz, camby, and any of these other guys out there.

but the question is. How do you stop dirk, terry, fin, daniels, stack, howard, and harris on the other side of the ball? This team is LIGHTNING QUICK. Terry and Harris give the mav the two fastest pg tandem in the league. They will dunk on you. They will defend and they will take the ball to rim. Daniels is the slashing sg who has a midrange game and is a heck of a defender. It wasn't by accident that peja shot 29 percent from 3 land in round 1. it was because daniels was ALL OVER HIM. The you have fin and Dirk. Both of these guys can torch you for 25 plus with ease. Then with Booth, D.J and bradley holding it down at center? You can get like 18, 12, and 6 from that position. Plus you have 18 fouls to use at that position.

Let's not forget about Najera and howard sitting on the bench itching to get in the game and defend. najera is one of the best post defenders in the nba. He frustrates duncan and Cwebb whenever he's on them. they HATE PLAYING AGAINST HIM. Howard is 6 7 with a 7 2 wingspan. Just ask kobe (33 percent against the mavs last year including some 4 for 18 from da field games) how good howards "D" is.


So yes be very afraid people. This team is quick, athletic, will defend and is more than just a "jump shooting team" now. They have slashers. They have defensive stoppers. They have jump shooters. They have athletic wingplayers who can get in the lane at will and have 3 big men who do nothing but swat shots and rebound. They have a deep bench and will be a force to be reckoned with this upcoming nba season. *puts on his mavs hat*
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Yeah, I know what you're saying. I think a lot of people are sleeping on the Mavs next season with some even saying they won't make the playoffs. They have too much talent to not make the playoffs and the team just got a whole lot younger and atheletic so it should be able to compete for the next decade or so. Mark Cuban is indeed a genius and the Mavericks should be glad that he owns them.
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Re: People continue to sleep on the mavericks

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Originally posted by droppinknowledge!
Cuban is leading this team in the right direction:

He drafted josh howard. second team all rookie
He signed marquis daniels as a free agent. second team all rookie

He traded raef and nve (who played a COMBINED 57 games last year) and acquired delk, fortson, jamison and walker. Jamison went on to be the sixth man of the year. NVe and Raef went on to sit on ir for the majority of the year.

That trade did what it was supposed to do. Give the mavs MORE REBOUNDING cause they were getting killed on the glass every year.

They were second in the nba in rebounds per game and first in offensive rebounds.

This team has an 87 mil team payroll. cuban is sick of paying 120 mil for this team every time out. Obviously you don't understand how the luxury cap works. Cuban has to pay the team salary of 87 million then ANOTHER 40 TO 45 MIL TO THE NBA FOR BEING OVER THE CAP by that much. That's ridiculous. So not only is he making this team YOUNGER. He's also cutting team payroll while STILL putting out a competitive team that can do the damn thing.

The mavs gave themselves "insurance on the steve nash free agent situation" by acquiring devin harris (who is all they really wanted), laettner, and stackhouse for jamison. Laettner ( SIX MIL SALARY) comes off the books next year. Stack comes off the books in three more years (8 mil)

The mavs offered steve nash 11 million. He went to phoenix for 13 million after the mavs traded for him when he was a 3rd string pg and signed him TO A HUGE EXTENSION EVEN THOUGH HE'D NEVER BEEN A STARTING PG IN THE NBA IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER. The first 2 years he sucked badly. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHEN HE "WASN'T HURT" which was alot during that time.

So what should the mavs have done? gave a 5 year 65 million dollar deal to a player that is already 30 years old? LOL that's insane. Why do that when you got devin harris waiting in the wings?

Then after summercamp the mavs decided that harris "could start if necessary" but didn't wanna rush him so they traded walker for hendersen and terry and a first round draft pick. Henderson (8 mil) comes off the books next year and the mavs have an "NVE like" pg to run the team while harris adjusts to the nba game.

The the mavs brought in a 7 foot african big man who has the build of ben wallace and is athletic as hell. *see pic below*

www.phyrstamendment.com/dj.jpg

This guy has like a 7 7 wingspan and blocked 80 shots in 120 mins of summer league action. He's a MONSTER on the defensive side of the ball.

Then the mavs traded fortson (who was not gonna get any major pt this year) for booth (who can block shots and rebound) to give them a lil more size at the center position.

How can you guys hate on cuban for making this TEAM YOUNGER, BETTER DEFENSIVELY, AND MORE ATHLETIC while building his team around HIS SUPERSTAR DIRK NOWITSKI? Aint that what you sposed to do? Dirk is just now about to hit his prime and cuban is letting him know that the mavs are NOW HIS TEAM.

mavs young players:

Dirk is 26
Daniels is 23
Howard is 24
Harris is 21
Pavel is 19
D.J is 24
Steffanson is 22
And Terry is just about to turn 27


mavs vets:

Fin is 31
Booth is 28
Bradley is 32
Najera is 28
Laettner is 35
Stack is 30
Hendersen is 32

All Dirk needs to do is build on his RIDICULOUS postseason last year and it's on and popping.

Dirk averaged 27 points 11 boards 3 blocks 1 steal and 1 dime a game this past postseason. That's just a ridiculous statline. For the first time in 3 YEARS his ankles aren't bothering him. He will be top three in scoring this year and grab around 10 or 11 boards and block 2 to 3 shots this year. I mean this guy just put up 32, 13, and 3 on the USA team like it wasn't nothing where there are ALLSTARS at every position. Do you honestly think he won't torch teams that only have ONE ALLSTAR on their team? LOL


Daniels, terry, harris, and howard are ALL BALL HAWKS. They wreck havoc in the lanes.

Daniels was in the top ten in spg in the playoffs swiping 2 a game.
Terry was in the top 20 in the nba in spg last year swiping damn near 2 a game.

Harris, Daniels, and Howard were all averaging 3 steals apiece during summer leagues

Daniels also showed how capable he is of being a starting sg by averaging 18 points 6 boards and 5 dimes and 2 steals in the month of april while shooting 49 percent from the field. This wasnt just some stretch at the end of the season where the mavs were just playing young guys cause their season was over either. They were STILL FIGHTING FOR HOMECOURT IN ROUND 1 OF THE PLAYOFFS AND DANIELS DID HIS THING AND EARNED HIS CONTRACT WHEN THE HEAT WAS ON.


now you have Booth, D.j, and bradley at center. All three of these guys can swat 2 to 3 shots when they step on the court at any given moment. Now that shaq is in the east who do the mavs really have to fear center wise? Besides yao there's no great center in the west anymore.

I'm pretty sure that booth, d.j and bradley can hold their own with rasho, kandiman, brad miller, vlade's old azz, camby, and any of these other guys out there.

but the question is. How do you stop dirk, terry, fin, daniels, stack, howard, and harris on the other side of the ball? This team is LIGHTNING QUICK. Terry and Harris give the mav the two fastest pg tandem in the league. They will dunk on you. They will defend and they will take the ball to rim. Daniels is the slashing sg who has a midrange game and is a heck of a defender. It wasn't by accident that peja shot 29 percent from 3 land in round 1. it was because daniels was ALL OVER HIM. The you have fin and Dirk. Both of these guys can torch you for 25 plus with ease. Then with Booth, D.J and bradley holding it down at center? You can get like 18, 12, and 6 from that position. Plus you have 18 fouls to use at that position.

Let's not forget about Najera and howard sitting on the bench itching to get in the game and defend. najera is one of the best post defenders in the nba. He frustrates duncan and Cwebb whenever he's on them. they HATE PLAYING AGAINST HIM. Howard is 6 7 with a 7 2 wingspan. Just ask kobe (33 percent against the mavs last year including some 4 for 18 from da field games) how good howards "D" is.


So yes be very afraid people. This team is quick, athletic, will defend and is more than just a "jump shooting team" now. They have slashers. They have defensive stoppers. They have jump shooters. They have athletic wingplayers who can get in the lane at will and have 3 big men who do nothing but swat shots and rebound. They have a deep bench and will be a force to be reckoned with this upcoming nba season. *puts on his mavs hat*
You continue to amaze me, last year you talked about how Steve Nash was the best point guard in all of basketball and money wasnt an object for Cuban to pay him now, hes old and overpaid. Golly
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You continue to amaze me, last year you talked about how Steve Nash was the best point guard in all of basketball and money wasnt an object for Cuban to pay him now, hes old and overpaid. Golly
nash is an elite pg. Don't get me wrong. I wish he was still here. but he made a choice and now the mavs have to move forward just like my boys have to move forward without quincy (even though I think he should be here) Terry is not that much of a drop off in nash though. once i looked at it long term and realized nash would be making around 15 mil when he's 35? I realized why cuban didn't match it. HE's grossly over the cap and he's putting his foot down for a change
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Yeah, I know what you're saying. I think a lot of people are sleeping on the Mavs next season with some even saying they won't make the playoffs. They have too much talent to not make the playoffs and the team just got a whole lot younger and atheletic so it should be able to compete for the next decade or so. Mark Cuban is indeed a genius and the Mavericks should be glad that he owns them.
I'm excited about the upcoming season. For once the mavs have 99.9 percent of their roster (stack may still be traded) intact going in to camp. That gets them time to gel BEFORE THE SEASON AND NOT DURING THE SEASON LIKE LAST YEAR. The team had only practiced for a week and a half before they had to play the lakers on opening day
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I applaud your optimism, but continue to laugh at your homerism.
homerism= supporting your team and being a true fan?

if so then that describes me personally. I mean let's be honest here. Miami and Detroit are head and shoulders ahead of the pacers.
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Re: People continue to sleep on the mavericks

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Originally posted by droppinknowledge!
Cuban is leading this team in the right direction:

He drafted josh howard. second team all rookie
He signed marquis daniels as a free agent. second team all rookie

He traded raef and nve (who played a COMBINED 57 games last year) and acquired delk, fortson, jamison and walker. Jamison went on to be the sixth man of the year. NVe and Raef went on to sit on ir for the majority of the year.

That trade did what it was supposed to do. Give the mavs MORE REBOUNDING cause they were getting killed on the glass every year.

They were second in the nba in rebounds per game and first in offensive rebounds.

This team has an 87 mil team payroll. cuban is sick of paying 120 mil for this team every time out. Obviously you don't understand how the luxury cap works. Cuban has to pay the team salary of 87 million then ANOTHER 40 TO 45 MIL TO THE NBA FOR BEING OVER THE CAP by that much. That's ridiculous. So not only is he making this team YOUNGER. He's also cutting team payroll while STILL putting out a competitive team that can do the damn thing.

The mavs gave themselves "insurance on the steve nash free agent situation" by acquiring devin harris (who is all they really wanted), laettner, and stackhouse for jamison. Laettner ( SIX MIL SALARY) comes off the books next year. Stack comes off the books in three more years (8 mil)

The mavs offered steve nash 11 million. He went to phoenix for 13 million after the mavs traded for him when he was a 3rd string pg and signed him TO A HUGE EXTENSION EVEN THOUGH HE'D NEVER BEEN A STARTING PG IN THE NBA IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER. The first 2 years he sucked badly. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHEN HE "WASN'T HURT" which was alot during that time.

So what should the mavs have done? gave a 5 year 65 million dollar deal to a player that is already 30 years old? LOL that's insane. Why do that when you got devin harris waiting in the wings?

Then after summercamp the mavs decided that harris "could start if necessary" but didn't wanna rush him so they traded walker for hendersen and terry and a first round draft pick. Henderson (8 mil) comes off the books next year and the mavs have an "NVE like" pg to run the team while harris adjusts to the nba game.

The the mavs brought in a 7 foot african big man who has the build of ben wallace and is athletic as hell. *see pic below*

www.phyrstamendment.com/dj.jpg

This guy has like a 7 7 wingspan and blocked 80 shots in 120 mins of summer league action. He's a MONSTER on the defensive side of the ball.

Then the mavs traded fortson (who was not gonna get any major pt this year) for booth (who can block shots and rebound) to give them a lil more size at the center position.

How can you guys hate on cuban for making this TEAM YOUNGER, BETTER DEFENSIVELY, AND MORE ATHLETIC while building his team around HIS SUPERSTAR DIRK NOWITSKI? Aint that what you sposed to do? Dirk is just now about to hit his prime and cuban is letting him know that the mavs are NOW HIS TEAM.

mavs young players:

Dirk is 26
Daniels is 23
Howard is 24
Harris is 21
Pavel is 19
D.J is 24
Steffanson is 22
And Terry is just about to turn 27


mavs vets:

Fin is 31
Booth is 28
Bradley is 32
Najera is 28
Laettner is 35
Stack is 30
Hendersen is 32

All Dirk needs to do is build on his RIDICULOUS postseason last year and it's on and popping.

Dirk averaged 27 points 11 boards 3 blocks 1 steal and 1 dime a game this past postseason. That's just a ridiculous statline. For the first time in 3 YEARS his ankles aren't bothering him. He will be top three in scoring this year and grab around 10 or 11 boards and block 2 to 3 shots this year. I mean this guy just put up 32, 13, and 3 on the USA team like it wasn't nothing where there are ALLSTARS at every position. Do you honestly think he won't torch teams that only have ONE ALLSTAR on their team? LOL


Daniels, terry, harris, and howard are ALL BALL HAWKS. They wreck havoc in the lanes.

Daniels was in the top ten in spg in the playoffs swiping 2 a game.
Terry was in the top 20 in the nba in spg last year swiping damn near 2 a game.

Harris, Daniels, and Howard were all averaging 3 steals apiece during summer leagues

Daniels also showed how capable he is of being a starting sg by averaging 18 points 6 boards and 5 dimes and 2 steals in the month of april while shooting 49 percent from the field. This wasnt just some stretch at the end of the season where the mavs were just playing young guys cause their season was over either. They were STILL FIGHTING FOR HOMECOURT IN ROUND 1 OF THE PLAYOFFS AND DANIELS DID HIS THING AND EARNED HIS CONTRACT WHEN THE HEAT WAS ON.


now you have Booth, D.j, and bradley at center. All three of these guys can swat 2 to 3 shots when they step on the court at any given moment. Now that shaq is in the east who do the mavs really have to fear center wise? Besides yao there's no great center in the west anymore.

I'm pretty sure that booth, d.j and bradley can hold their own with rasho, kandiman, brad miller, vlade's old azz, camby, and any of these other guys out there.

but the question is. How do you stop dirk, terry, fin, daniels, stack, howard, and harris on the other side of the ball? This team is LIGHTNING QUICK. Terry and Harris give the mav the two fastest pg tandem in the league. They will dunk on you. They will defend and they will take the ball to rim. Daniels is the slashing sg who has a midrange game and is a heck of a defender. It wasn't by accident that peja shot 29 percent from 3 land in round 1. it was because daniels was ALL OVER HIM. The you have fin and Dirk. Both of these guys can torch you for 25 plus with ease. Then with Booth, D.J and bradley holding it down at center? You can get like 18, 12, and 6 from that position. Plus you have 18 fouls to use at that position.

Let's not forget about Najera and howard sitting on the bench itching to get in the game and defend. najera is one of the best post defenders in the nba. He frustrates duncan and Cwebb whenever he's on them. they HATE PLAYING AGAINST HIM. Howard is 6 7 with a 7 2 wingspan. Just ask kobe (33 percent against the mavs last year including some 4 for 18 from da field games) how good howards "D" is.


So yes be very afraid people. This team is quick, athletic, will defend and is more than just a "jump shooting team" now. They have slashers. They have defensive stoppers. They have jump shooters. They have athletic wingplayers who can get in the lane at will and have 3 big men who do nothing but swat shots and rebound. They have a deep bench and will be a force to be reckoned with this upcoming nba season. *puts on his mavs hat*


I couldn't read this entire post. I almost fell asleep. lol jk. But I see your point. People are kinda sleeping on the Mavs. I kinda like their team right now. They did lose Nash. But like you said resigned Daniels who had a very good last 6 weeks and playoffs last year. I love Devin Harris. I'm an Illini fan so I obviously watch a lot of big 10 basketball. And I think Harris is gonna be awesome. Now I question the Jamison for Stack/Laettner trade. Jamison was flat out solid for Dallas last year. And you trade him for Laettner{a scrub} and Stackhouse {Injury prone cancer]? Now the only way this makes sense is if Cuban has another trade in mind. So i'll wait and see if that happens.


You still got Dirk/Finley/Terry/Howard

But for the Mavs to be taken seriously as far as winning a title goes. They're gonna have to take on more of a defensive minded attitude. Now I realze that's not somthing you can teach. But they're obviously not going anywhere giving up the amount of points you do. They need to get some bangers. Guys that can defend the post. Physical guys. I think a guy like Dampier would be perfect.

Look at the Kings. They let Divac go "mainly because he wanted too much money" But Divac was not a defensive presence at all. Then they went and signed Ostertag. Now of course i'm not saying Tag is great. But he's a big body that can bang and block some shots. And I'm almost certain that if the Kings do end up trading Peja. It will be for Artest. I really believe they wanna change the identity of their team. When the Mavs start doing things like this. They'll get more respect.
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I couldn't read this entire post. I almost fell asleep. lol jk. But I see your point. People are kinda sleeping on the Mavs. I kinda like their team right now. They did lose Nash. But like you said resigned Daniels who had a very good last 6 weeks and playoffs last year. I love Devin Harris. I'm an Illini fan so I obviously watch a lot of big 10 basketball. And I think Harris is gonna be awesome. Now I question the Jamison for Stack/Laettner trade. Jamison was flat out solid for Dallas last year. And you trade him for Laettner{a scrub} and Stackhouse {Injury prone cancer]? Now the only way this makes sense is if Cuban has another trade in mind. So i'll wait and see if that happens.


You still got Dirk/Finley/Terry/Howard

But for the Mavs to be taken seriously as far as winning a title goes. They're gonna have to take on more of a defensive minded attitude. Now I realze that's not somthing you can teach. But they're obviously not going anywhere giving up the amount of points you do. They need to get some bangers. Guys that can defend the post. Physical guys. I think a guy like Dampier would be perfect.

Look at the Kings. They let Divac go "mainly because he wanted too much money" But Divac was not a defensive presence at all. Then they went and signed Ostertag. Now of course i'm not saying Tag is great. But he's a big body that can bang and block some shots. And I'm almost certain that if the Kings do end up trading Peja. It will be for Artest. I really believe they wanna change the identity of their team. When the Mavs start doing things like this. They'll get more respect.
harris was acquired in the stack deal. So that did make sense. The mavs still got najera man. He don't mind doing the dirty work on the blocks. He's the type of guy you hate to play against but love to have on ya team. peeps seem to have forgotten about him
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They have great talent this upcoming year. They have had great talent the past three or four years, and continued to fall short. It could be different this next year, I dont think people are sleeping on them. It just isnt anything new, same talent, different players. I think Cuban has done a great job, but I dont think Nelson is necessarily the best coach for the job. They definitelly could be major contenders, but you could say that about the past several Mavs teams. That is probably why nobody is raving about them.
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