[Debt Collector]

Originally posted by <b>CiMa</b>!
T-Mac:

2003-04 Statistics
PPG 28.0
RPG 6.0
APG 5.5
SPG 1.39
BPG .63
FG% .417
FT% .796
3P% .339
MPG 39.9

Kobe:

PPG 24.0
RPG 5.5
APG 5.1
SPG 1.72
BPG .43
FG% .438
FT% .852
3P% .327
MPG 37.6

Looks like they put the wrong guy on the All-NBA First team, no?

first team all nba'ers dont lose their first 19 games, so no

[texan]

Originally posted by <b>Whodinee</b>!


first team all nba'ers dont lose their first 19 games, so no

they do if their team sucks. one player cannot win games, this is a team game

[FlyingTiger]

Tmac is not on the same level as KOBE. Tmac is just a better version of jerry stackhouse. all about stats for him. remember jimmy jackson use to score like crazy when he was with the mavs. If your condsider the best SG in the world. at least make the playoffs.

[Hov]

Originally posted by <b>Hbwoy</b>!


Vince average 27, 5, 5 after the allstar break too shooting over 45 from the field and over 40 from 3point land, how come he isnt being mentioned in this debate

Because Vince has proven that he isn't on the same level as TMac and Kobe currently are.

[Hov]

Originally posted by <b>FlyingTiger</b>!
Tmac is not on the same level as KOBE. Tmac is just a better version of jerry stackhouse. all about stats for him. remember jimmy jackson use to score like crazy when he was with the mavs. If your condsider the best SG in the world. at least make the playoffs.

He's made the playoffs numerous times.
And he isn't all about the stats either, why do you think he talks about wanting to play with Shaq so much?

[Lakers6010]

Originally posted by <b>texan</b>!



they do if their team sucks. one player cannot win games, this is a team game

What a double standard

When Shaq was out Kobe led the team with the worst starters in the league to a 5-10 record.
Not to mention that in that period Lakers played against the Spurs, Blazers and the other great teams.
Kobe was doing it all by himself. In a first few games I think he even averaged 29/11/8/3 but still people use the Shaq excuse..
People are still acting like Kobe can't play without Shaq. When these stats prove them wrong then they use the Lakers record without Shaq..
Helloooou people, 4 wrst starters in the league without a center.
5-10 is a great record..
But for T Mac is different.
It's not his fault he lost 19 games in a row, he's still better than Kobe although he played with better players and he played in a weaker divison..

Gosh, what a double standard


I know some of you would like to believe that T Mac is better than Kobe but that simpl is not the case......
Kobe is better than T Mac..
Take 3 rings away from him, take all his awards away from him and he's still better....

EOD

[Lakers6010]

And BTW Iverson is closer to Kobe than T Mac

[JNice]

Originally posted by <b>Lakers6010</b>!
And BTW Iverson is closer to Kobe than T Mac

What a joke.

Some sad arguments in here against Tmac. Real sad.

Why is this being brought up again? There is no new ammo and everyone is saying all the same stuff. Wait until next season starts.

That being said, Tmac is every bit the player that Kobe is regardless of the denial Kobe marks are in. The next couple years will serve to prove that.

[Lakers6010]

It's offical..

Iverson is underrated


He led his team to the finals, he also has 2 scoring tittles, he was an MVP, he was an all star MVP.
What about T Mac?
He has 2 scoring tittles, he led his team to the playoffs twice but he also led his team to the 0-19 record.

T Mac is now the better player because he's more talented and it seems like AI is out of his prime but AI has done more things in his carrer to be compared to Kobeand everything what Kobe has done in the NBA..

Just face it...

Kobe has done more and he's better than T Mac...
It's a common sense

Sure, you can ride the Shaq excuse all you want but Kobe proved himself without Shaq.
Kobe and T Mac are just as talented.
T Mac is taller, Kobe is stronger and more agile and they are both talented as hell..
Kobe has done more in the NBA and he's simply better than T Mac..
I wouldn't like to build a team around a guy who doesn't know that there's a 4th quarter..
Not to mention that Kobe is the clutchest plaer in the league...

Kobe is better..plain and simple

And yes, AI had a better carrer than T Mac so far and he's the one who should be compared to Kobe.

[JNice]

Sure, you can ride the Shaq excuse all you want but Kobe proved himself without Shaq.

When was that? Must have missed it.

Originally posted by <b>Lakers6010</b>!
Kobe is better..plain and simple

Just not true. Plain and simple.

And yes, AI had a better carrer than T Mac so far and he's the one who should be compared to Kobe.

Duh. How long has AI been in the league? And Tmac?

[texan]

Originally posted by <b>Lakers6010</b>!
It's offical..

Iverson is underrated


He led his team to the finals, he also has 2 scoring tittles, he was an MVP, he was an all star MVP.
What about T Mac?
He has 2 scoring tittles, he led his team to the playoffs twice but he also led his team to the 0-19 record.

T Mac is now the better player because he's more talented and it seems like AI is out of his prime but AI has done more things in his carrer to be compared to Kobeand everything what Kobe has done in the NBA..

Just face it...

Kobe has done more and he's better than T Mac...
It's a common sense

Sure, you can ride the Shaq excuse all you want but Kobe proved himself without Shaq.
Kobe and T Mac are just as talented.
T Mac is taller, Kobe is stronger and more agile and they are both talented as hell..
Kobe has done more in the NBA and he's simply better than T Mac..
I wouldn't like to build a team around a guy who doesn't know that there's a 4th quarter..
Not to mention that Kobe is the clutchest plaer in the league...

Kobe is better..plain and simple

And yes, AI had a better carrer than T Mac so far and he's the one who should be compared to Kobe.

stop being a homer, please just stop

you are embarrassing you and lakers fans all around

[Lakers6010]

I am not gonna argue with you, it doesn't make any sense..

How long has AI been in league?
Oh please, try harder than that


AI has been in league for 8 years and T Mac has been in league for 7 years..
1 year, big f deal

Just face it......AI's carrer so far > Tracy's carrer so far

[Hov]

Originally posted by <b>Lakers6010</b>!
And BTW Iverson is closer to Kobe than T Mac

Closer in what? Awards?
If you're going that way, Iverson's awards > Kobe's awards.

TMac and Kobe are very similar talent-wise/skill-wise, just face it. It's Laker fans like you that make TMac fans hate Kobe fans.

Why can't we all just get along?