[Sir Patchwork]

Garnett doesn't deserve blame for his lack of team success, he really doesn't have the talent around him. What bothers me though, is how Timberwolves fans spent the whole year talking about how much the team sucked outside of Garnett, then when talks for the next season come up and the roster isn't any different outside of a mid-1st round pick, they're talking about the team making big improvements. What happens if the Timberwolves are the same as last year? Are you going to bash all the roleplayers again, only to hype them up again for the following season?

This happens way too often. If you really pay attention, it happens so often it's not even funny. A lot of people defend the best player on a team to the death, so they'll downplay the roleplayers to big up the best player, then when it's time to talk about where the teams finish, those same roleplayers become all stars.

I've seen Iguodala, Korver and Dalembert go from all stars during the offseason and the beginning of the year, to being a terrible supporting cast when the team underachieves (so Iverson saves faces), then back to all stars when we start talking about next season. Repeat with LeBron, Garnett and Kobe.

[EHL]

Too early to tell. Start this thread again the first week of November.

[IV]

Originally Posted by futuristxen

I've been going through a lot of the predictions in the predictions thread, and it seems like this is a good question to ask. Both teams are pretty much one superstar and a bunch of okay to alright players. For one team that superstar is Kobe, for the other it's the former MVP KG.

A lot of people seem to be favoring the Lakers to make the playoffs ahead of the Wolves. Is this justifiable, or is it just hype coming from the Phil Jackson signing?

KG has made the playoffs with less talent than he has now. But Kobe has never made the playoffs without Shaq. So what is the the thought process behind counting KG out while counting Kobe in? Is Kobe better than KG?

No one is counting Kobe in and KG out, IMO they'll both make the playoffs. But be real, if that half asses logic about one player accomplishing or not accomplishing this or that with or without a former teammates means anything than LA is in much better shape not because of Kobe but because of Phil Jackson. His track record with Kobe and Shaq and without Kobe and Shaq is reason enough to expect LA to make the playoffs.

[RP McMurphy]

Originally Posted by Sir Patchwork

Garnett doesn't deserve blame for his lack of team success, he really doesn't have the talent around him. What bothers me though, is how Timberwolves fans spent the whole year talking about how much the team sucked outside of Garnett, then when talks for the next season come up and the roster isn't any different outside of a mid-1st round pick, they're talking about the team making big improvements. What happens if the Timberwolves are the same as last year? Are you going to bash all the roleplayers again, only to hype them up again for the following season?

This happens way too often. If you really pay attention, it happens so often it's not even funny. A lot of people defend the best player on a team to the death, so they'll downplay the roleplayers to big up the best player, then when it's time to talk about where the teams finish, those same roleplayers become all stars.

I've seen Iguodala, Korver and Dalembert go from all stars during the offseason and the beginning of the year, to being a terrible supporting cast when the team underachieves (so Iverson saves faces), then back to all stars when we start talking about next season. Repeat with LeBron, Garnett and Kobe.

Great post.

[socco]

Originally Posted by Sir Patchwork

Garnett doesn't deserve blame for his lack of team success, he really doesn't have the talent around him. What bothers me though, is how Timberwolves fans spent the whole year talking about how much the team sucked outside of Garnett, then when talks for the next season come up and the roster isn't any different outside of a mid-1st round pick, they're talking about the team making big improvements. What happens if the Timberwolves are the same as last year? Are you going to bash all the roleplayers again, only to hype them up again for the following season?

So how did the Wolves get that much worse after one year with basically the same team? If they can get that much worse why can't they get that much better. And nobody's really suggesting they'll get back to the best record in the West, we're just saying somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of playoff teams. The problem last year was the attitude of certain players. Rid yourself of those players, and you don't have the problem anymore. What's so hard to understand? And where have people been hyping up the Wolves role players? I think you're imagining things.

[B_&_B]

Originally Posted by DH12

at everyone who said Kobe is better than KG in this thread. Get real.

I cant believe I agree with this guy!

KG is the guy you want on your team. He makes his teammates better, he's a leader, and does more than just score (Kobe).

Lakers vs T-Wolves - tough to say right now. Too many questions (Spree, Cassell, Butler, etc.) need to be answered before I can say who has the better chance to make the playoffs.

[HKF]

Originally Posted by Sir Patchwork

Garnett doesn't deserve blame for his lack of team success, he really doesn't have the talent around him. What bothers me though, is how Timberwolves fans spent the whole year talking about how much the team sucked outside of Garnett, then when talks for the next season come up and the roster isn't any different outside of a mid-1st round pick, they're talking about the team making big improvements. What happens if the Timberwolves are the same as last year? Are you going to bash all the roleplayers again, only to hype them up again for the following season?

This happens way too often. If you really pay attention, it happens so often it's not even funny. A lot of people defend the best player on a team to the death, so they'll downplay the roleplayers to big up the best player, then when it's time to talk about where the teams finish, those same roleplayers become all stars.

I've seen Iguodala, Korver and Dalembert go from all stars during the offseason and the beginning of the year, to being a terrible supporting cast when the team underachieves (so Iverson saves faces), then back to all stars when we start talking about next season. Repeat with LeBron, Garnett and Kobe.

*You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sir Patchwork again.*

[Sir Patchwork]

Originally Posted by socco

So how did the Wolves get that much worse after one year with basically the same team?

Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell both had amazing years, then fell apart in the next season. So unless they're going to return to the same players they were in 2003-2004, the Timberwolves aren't going to win nearly as many games.

[socco]

Agreed, but who expects them to? I know I personally have compared the Wolves this coming year to the season before we got Sam and Spree. I think we'll be better than that team, which had the 4th best record in the NBA. I think the competition is tougher now though, so I'd put us somewhere between the 3 (winning the division) and 6 seeds. I think that's pretty realistic.

[bkbballer16]

Originally Posted by futuristxen

Is Kobe better than KG?

never.