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11-13-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
U Puttin Kirk With BDiddy?
Are U Nuts, ****?
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11-13-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
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What the hell are you talking about VV; Baron Davis AVERAGE PER is 17.8
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At the current time, Hinrich's PER is 21.1. Davis' is 19.7. Hinrich shows a trend of improved efficiency when scoring. Davis shows the opposite.
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Kirk has never had one season where he was better then Davis's average.
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Hinrich's still just in his third season. That said, in KH's third season he's currently besting Davis' average by 3.4 points.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this statement.
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11-13-2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
Baron Davis is a much better player, but the guy just cant stay healthy thse last 3 seasons.
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2. Joined Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, and Allen Iverson as the only players ever to record games of 40+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in the same playoff season in 2005.
3. Holds the record for being the only player in NBA history to ever average at least 30 points on 69.5 field goal percentage for four consecutive NBA playoff series games (5/23/06-5/29/06). The last record was held by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with 63%. Wade accomplished it with less than 20 field goal attempts per game
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11-13-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
VV, you're going to have to let Hinrich prove himself more. People are obviously still basing their arguments mostly off of games they saw back in his rookie year. People are saying he can barely start, yet he started 77 of 77 games he played last year, all 5 this year, and 66 of 76 his rookie year when he came off the bench his first 10 games. People are saying his defense is overrated, even though the Bulls defense on shooting guards has been boosted into the top 5 among all teams in the league since he moved over. Saying his defense is overrated is cliche.
People are late on these arguments. Honestly, all things considered, I'd take Hinrich. Health and being in shape, and just overall motivation not being considered, I'd take Baron Davis.
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11-13-2005, 09:39 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
Why is this even being debated? Baron Davis easily.
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11-13-2005, 10:25 PM
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Why is this even being debated? Baron Davis easily.
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11-13-2005, 11:12 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
This thread is a testament to the belief that repuation can influence human minds as much or more than actual observation. I would take Davis now, but Hinrich for the future. The answer to this question is pretty obvious, but it's not a ridiculous question or anything like that, as people are making it sound.
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11-13-2005, 11:16 PM
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Bulls vs. Wizards, 11/9/2005
Davis: 17 pts. (6-16 FG), 2 reb, 5 ast, 31 min.
Hinrich: 23 pts. (8-12 FG), 5 reb, 6 ast, 37 min.
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Never knew Davis was on the Wizards.
But yeah I'm a homer so I take Davis. Golden State is doing pretty well so far, hopefully they'll keep it up.
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11-13-2005, 11:50 PM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
Woops. Old post fixed.
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11-14-2005, 12:04 AM
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Re: Kirk Hinrich or B. Davis?
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What?
Hinrich is shooting 48% from the field and 56% from three so far this season now that Bulls roles are more clearly defined. Davis is shooting 36% from the field and 29% from three.
Davis' career shooting averages are 41% FG and 33% 3PT, and have steadily declined over the past half decade. Hinrich's averages are 40% and 38% and steadily rising.
Hinrich is the more efficient scorer. He has a higher PER, much higher PSA, much higher regular FG%, much higher eFG%...
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Who cares what their stats are over the first five games of the season? That's so few games as to be barely relevant. Also, Hinrich shooting 56% from three so far has very little to do with "Bulls roles being more clearly defined" and a lot to do with the fact that he just had a good week. His percentage is going to come down, and soon (although it will probably stay above Baron Davis's, because he's consistently been a better three-point shooter throughout his career).
I hope this thread won't be a repeat of the Kirk Hinrich vs. Tony Parker thread, where you kept bumping it for as long as Hinrich's efficiency rating was higher than Parker's, and then you disappeared when Hinrich went into a slump and Parker passed him.
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11-14-2005, 01:08 AM
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