[futuristxen]

Originally Posted by Shaq_Diesel

Glenn isn't the best example...

I've given you a list of about 10 guys that didn't live up to their early hype....what else do you want? My original point was what? LeBron James being 21 doesnt guarantee he's got X number of years of improvement left in him....

Not that he really has to improve. If he puts up 30/7/7 for the rest of his career, and plays till he's 35 or 36, he'll have the new all-time scoring record. Which will at least put him in the hall of fame.

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Originally Posted by futuristxen

Not that he really has to improve. If he puts up 30/7/7 for the rest of his career, and plays till he's 35 or 36, he'll have the new all-time scoring record. Which will at least put him in the hall of fame.

that's very true....and that's part of my point, many LeBron/Cavs fans just believe that LeBron will continue to grow to some unknown level. All I've said is "LeBron getting better isn't guaranteed", I never said that it was a bad thing.

[Pioneer10]

Originally Posted by Shaq_Diesel

that's very true....and that's part of my point, many LeBron/Cavs fans just believe that LeBron will continue to grow to some unknown level. All I've said is "LeBron getting better isn't guaranteed", I never said that it was a bad thing.

While NOTHING in life is guaranteed, almost every star in this league (barring injury) has gotten better. It seems like a fool's bet that he won't get better especially he's already improved parts of his game during this season itself.

It would be the same thing if I said Wade wouldn't get better. Sure he might not but in all likelihood he will get significanlty better

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Originally Posted by Pioneer10

While NOTHING in life is guaranteed, almost every star in this league (barring injury) has gotten better. It seems like a fool's bet that he won't get better especially he's already improved parts of his game during this season itself.

It would be the same thing if I said Wade wouldn't get better. Sure he might not but in all likelihood he will get significanlty better

but the biggest issue i have with that comment is : Not every player in the league gets better, it's just not possible.

[futuristxen]

Experience is going to make him better though. Every player may not have a quantum leap in improvement, but any body who plays in the league for ten years figures out all the tricks. For instance I thought Derrick Coleman showed startling improvement in his final years, he just finally seemed to "get it". Hopefully Lebron doesn't wait that long, but there is a time when you become a veteran, and you start using more of your mind and less of your body. Lebron isn't there yet, though his mental approach is his strongest asset, he still isn't taking advantage of the advantages he has over his opponents enough.

When he slows down and starts just using his power on the opposition and becomes more Barkley-like, that's when it's going to get scary. Once he learns to sit in the post and run the team like Bird and Barkley did.

[Spriggan]

How come no one mentions defense when LeBron is discussed as MVP, yet they do for Nash? Bron is a better defender, yes, but not significantly better and he remains one of the weaker defenders among elite players.

Both Nash and LeBron are MVP candidates because they are carrying their respective teams and their offensive brilliance rightfully outshines their lack of defense. People shouldn't be ragging on Nash's defense and then proclaiming LeBron the MVP, but I've seen it done.

[futuristxen]

Originally Posted by Spriggan

How come no one mentions defense when LeBron is discussed as MVP, yet they do for Nash? Bron is a better defender, yes, but not significantly better and he remains one of the weaker defenders among elite players.

Both Nash and LeBron are MVP candidates because they are carrying their respective teams and their offensive brilliance rightfully outshines their lack of defense. People shouldn't be ragging on Nash's defense and then proclaiming LeBron the MVP, but I've seen it done.

I think I misunderstood you. Are you saying no one mentions Lebron's defense when they talk about him for MVP? Because I thought that, and missing free throws at the end of games were people's main reservation against him for MVP.

[Spriggan]

Originally Posted by futuristxen

I think I misunderstood you. Are you saying no one mentions Lebron's defense when they talk about him for MVP? Because I thought that, and missing free throws at the end of games were people's main reservation against him for MVP.

I haven't seen very many critics mention defense when discussing LeBron for MVP, mostly just his "unclutchness" and team's performance. On the other hand, with Nash, defense is all they talk about.

[shobe42]

Originally Posted by futuristxen

I think I misunderstood you. Are you saying no one mentions Lebron's defense when they talk about him for MVP? Because I thought that, and missing free throws at the end of games were people's main reservation against him for MVP.

yea same here... look around harder spriggan and you'll find people criticizing Lebrons defense...

[Spriggan]

Originally Posted by shobe42

yea same here... look around harder spriggan and you'll find people criticizing Lebrons defense...

Yes, I know a lot of people criticize LeBron's defense, but not so much when it comes to MVP discussion. That usually happens in "best player in the league" or LeBron/Kobe debates.

Meanwhile, defense is basically the only thing that Nash detractors harp on when discussing him.