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Old 02-03-2006, 07:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Iverson was right.

"be carefull, as soon as your not what "they" want you to be they'll turn on you"....he said something like that
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: LeBron needs to rise up

LeBron will probably get it almost as bad as Kobe in the future. LeBron fans are starting to realize what fighting off irrational hate is all about. Bron better hope he doesn't slip up or it'll open the floodgates. People love nothing more than to rip into the golden child.
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:38 PM   #33 (permalink)
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LeBron will probably get it almost as bad as Kobe in the future. LeBron fans are starting to realize what fighting off irrational hate is all about. Bron better hope he doesn't slip up or it'll open the floodgates. People love nothing more than to rip into the golden child.
indeed. Us kobe fans have a lot of experience dealing with hate, you lebron fans will get used to it.

For the record though, I do think he should do the dunk contest. And I DO think the reason he's not is because he is not a very creative dunker, he's more about power, not so graceful. It's not the end of the world. But it would be good for the game if he did it.

And the Peyton Manning comparison is something that I've been thinking about for a while now......
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LeBron will probably get it almost as bad as Kobe in the future. LeBron fans are starting to realize what fighting off irrational hate is all about. Bron better hope he doesn't slip up or it'll open the floodgates. People love nothing more than to rip into the golden child.
he's gonna have to jump over Yao first before he can get close to Kobe in the "I haven't done a damn thing to you yet you hate me" race
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he's gonna have to jumper of Yao first before he can get close to Kobe in the "I haven't done a damn thing to you yet you hate me" race
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huh?
I meant to say he's gonna have to jump over Yao before he can come close to Kobe in reguards to the unreasonable hate certain players recieve.
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Re: LeBron needs to rise up

People hate Yao?
How can people hate Yao? He's such a nice young man. He's funny in those commercials.

Most people's complaints with him is that he is TOO nice.

But yeah, Lebron fans have known for a long time that people are waiting to turn on him. Remember in high school when the media turned on him for the Hummer and the Jerseys, after being the ones to blow him up on the national spotlight to begin with? They used to lead off sportscenter with Lebron's high school games. The same people that build you up will tear you down.

Which is why it's encouraging so far, that Lebron doesn't appear to listen to the media very much.

So long as he doesn't end up going to trial for rape or murder nothing the media has should be tooooo bad.
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He's actually more tied to the community than Jordan was. He is out there trying to better people's lives off the court in the cleveland area. I don't know if Michael Jordan would have hand packed a truck load of supplies for Katrina and then handed them out by hand. I think he would have just written a check, if that.
Umm helping out whether it be financially or actually loading trucks is still helping out. Yes, MJ wasn't the greatest in terms of helping out the 'community' but Mike was also absolutely GREAT with kids. On his own time he would randomly stop by and visit sick children in hospitals through out the Chicago land area...so don't play as if Mike was some sort of snob. Hey, all my father did was cut a check...does that make his contribution any less than someone who drove down to New Orleans and PHSYICALLY helped out? No, because helping is helping.
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He also, despite his best attempts has more of a sense of humor than Jordan.
Meh, that is subjective as can be. LeBron is funny, but just cause he is funny in acted out commercials doesn't mean he is actually funny. Damon Jones is someone who is actually funny, as is Gary Payton. Mike was very funny. Hell I remember in the ASG in San Antonio in 1996 he pantsed Penny Hardaway during the introduction. Mike was always a class clown.
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He can be very intense on the court, but I think overall he is more emotional on the court than Jordan ever really was.
Is that for better or for worse...or does it really even matter? Jordan was a winner from the second he step foot in an NBA arena.
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He's more like a 6-8 Iverson on the court. He has something to say on every single play of the game.
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How he plays the game is diffrent from Jordan as he is more focused on his teammates than Jordan ever was at any level.
Mike was focused on making his teammates better. This is a misonception. LeBron is focused on his teammates....at times almost to a fault.
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Jordan was always trying to prove that he was the best.
Which is great because that is a motivating factor that drove him to be the best to ever play the game. Everyone as a player needs to strive to be the best they can be. And even though Mike did that, it wasn't at the expense of his teammates.
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Most likely because he was the younger brother growing up.
He was perpetually trying to prove he was better than his bigger brother Larry? Please... Mike just strove to be the best he could be...and he exceeded that.
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Lebron was an only child of a single parent living on the streets.
He was taken in by a middle class fam, cause his trash bag hoe for a mom couldn't raise him, and I believe his father was in jail.
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His attitude and how he percieves his role with the team is entirely diffrent. Lebron played with the same group of players around him like fifth grade till he was in the NBA. I think he has more of a notion of that he is playing a team game and his success is his team's success and vice versa. In that respect he's more like Bird and Magic.
And who are you to say Mike didn't have the same outlook? Don't confuse personal greatness with not caring about teammates, etc. Mike was raised on the most selfless college system of all. The Four Corner offense of UNC, which was headed by the most morally and "play the right way" coach in the game. Mike valued teammates, and KNEW it was a team game. He meshed his personal skills perfectly into the team concept. He won on every stage of the game.
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I feel like he is changing the focus of the NBA from the points per game only focus most people had.
Not really, he still gets top billing for scoring...and is in a 3-way race for the scoring title. If he was really that concerned he would try to average 25 and dish out even more dimes a game.
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If you look at since Lebron has come into the league, most of the guards in the league have started to become more efficient and better all-around players.
Wait, because of LeBron? This is either coincidence or the fact that the new defensive rules greatly benefit guards and small forwards.
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And I think some of that is attributed to Lebron changing the way players thought they had to play.
Seriously doubt it. These same players grew up watching the best players of the 80's, you have to be a complete homer to try and say that Bron inspired them to play differently (and they still aren't).
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He showed that you could score efficiently still.
LeBron showed us that? As in, it had never been done before him?
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I think Lebron has officially ended the era of the volume shooter.
No way in hell. You still got Kobe, T-Mac, Paul Pierce, Michael Redd, AI etc. all influencing the current gen of players. The volume shooters will always be there. Just watch college. 2 best players in the game are volume shooters. And both J.J. Redick and Morrison do it damn well.
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Even Kobe who shoots a lot, does it marginally efficiently.
Exactly, which shows people it can be done. LeBron hasn't ended anything.
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As LBJ's career goes on people will associate 23 with him, and less with Jordan.
Well the kids who just now start growing up with the current NBA will. But any true student of the game knows that 23 belongs to the one and only G.O.A.T. The man who won rings and mvp trophies.
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Jordan's clothing line will steadily decline,
Really? It hasn't yet...and LeBron's actually doesn't sell all that well excluding his shoes. They are stocked at the Nike Outlets with Bron nike gear. Jordan stuff to this day still flies of the shelf. Tells you how many people Jordan influenced and tocued while he played. I see kids rocking the stuff and they probably never seen dude play. Jordan has become a cultural icon. No one is going to overshadow him in any point in the near future. His logo is recognized with the likes of Superman, etc.
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and Lebron and Kobe will grow.
they will, but will never reach the mythic status of the Jordan line. Jordan single handedly MADE Nike what it is. He was, and still is the company.
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Jordan may be Lebron's favorite player growing up, but he is doing nothing like Jordan so far.
Very true. When he starts getting int he playoffs and no huge team collapses...then we'll start talking.
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He's walking his own steps. If he can win championships with his style of play, I think it will be better for the NBA.
Possibly, but Bron still averages 30 ppg...so what's the point?
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LeBron scores more than he passes. You do know this right? LeBron doesn't play like Magic.
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