[Aurelino]

How many times have we seen Hubie Brown use the word "unselfish" when talking about Wade or LeBron in the playoffs? Those two are obviously great players, but I don't understand the media's obsession with them being "unselfish." I mean, I can understand unselfishness when there's a 3-on-1 break and the player who has an easy scoring opportunity gives it up, but to say that passing out of double-teams or setting up teammates for open jumpers instead of taking the shot every time is a sign of unselfishness, isn't accurate. Those are just smart basketball plays that stars make in order to maximize their respective teams' chances of winning. Gilbert Arenas averaged 6apg during the season, but he is still not considered to have the level of unselfishness of Wade and Lebron. Another case in point is Iverson. Not only is he a high-volume shooter, but he is also the PG for his team. We never hear Iverson being that much unselfish, and yet, he is also scoring 30 a game and giving you 8 assists. Kobe also has his own way of improving his team's chances by taking shots that he can make, and yet people say he is a ball-hogging, brick-chucking player. People never associate "unselfishness" with Kobe.

[Hairy Midget]

I can definitely tell the difference in unselfishness between Lebron/Wade and Arenas/Iverson. Hint: It's not just the numbers.

[unluckyseventeen]

People never associate "unselfishness" with Kobe.

Uhhh... yeah?.. How many shots per game did he take? How many assists per game did he have?

That's an awful ratio.

I still don't know what the point of this thread is, other than some way to praise some player and knock another.

Team play is always greater than one guy trying to do everything. That's what the "MEDIA" is trying to say, and they are right.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Aurelino

How many times have we seen Hubie Brown use the word "unselfish" when talking about Wade or LeBron in the playoff? Those two are obviously great players, but I don't understand the media's obsession with them being "unselfish." I mean, I can understand unselfishness when there's a 3-on-1 break and the player who has an easy scoring opportunity gives it up, but to say that passing out of double-teams or setting up teammates for open jumpers instead of taking the shot every time is a sign of unselfishness, isn't accurate. Those are just smart basketball plays that stars make in order to maximize their respective teams' chances of winning. Gilbert Arenas averaged 6apg during the season, but he is still not considered to have the level of unselfishness of Wade and Lebron. Another case in point is Iverson. Not only is he a high-volume shooter, but he is also the PG for his team. We never hear Iverson being that much unselfish, and yet, he is also scoring 30 a game and giving you 8 assists. Kobe also has his own way of improving his team's chances by taking shots that he can make, and yet people say he is a ball-hogging, brick-chucking player. People never associate "unselfishness" with Kobe.

I can see right through post.

Kobe is a filthy ball hog, get over it.

[Seuss]

Kobe isn't called "unseflish" because he shoots when the double-team comes.

[Minstrel]

If you like a scorer, he "takes over ballgames" and is "dominant." If you don't like a scorer, he's "selfish."

If you like a passer, he's "unselfish" and a "play-maker." If you don't like a passer, he's "passive."

That's the general rule I've observed. There's really no good, consistent definition of what makes some scorers who dominate the ball valuable and others selfish. It boils down to whether a particular person likes said player or not.

[socco]

Originally Posted by Aurelino

People never associate "unselfishness" with Kobe.

That's because he's selfish.

[Aurelino]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

If you like a scorer, he "takes over ballgames" and is "dominant." If you don't like a scorer, he's "selfish."

If you like a passer, he's "unselfish" and a "play-maker." If you don't like a passer, he's "passive."

That's the general rule I've observed. There's really no good, consistent definition of what makes some scorers who dominate the ball valuable and others selfish. It boils down to whether a particular person likes said player or not.

That's an excellent assessment. Also, in the case of the media, it comes down to how much they like a story. This is why they are more likely to put the "unselfish" tag on LeBron and Wade, than on Arenas, for example.

[xcellence]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

If you like a scorer, he "takes over ballgames" and is "dominant." If you don't like a scorer, he's "selfish."

If you like a passer, he's "unselfish" and a "play-maker." If you don't like a passer, he's "passive."

That's the general rule I've observed. There's really no good, consistent definition of what makes some scorers who dominate the ball valuable and others selfish. It boils down to whether a particular person likes said player or not.

Absolutely

[KDOS]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

If you like a scorer, he "takes over ballgames" and is "dominant." If you don't like a scorer, he's "selfish."

If you like a passer, he's "unselfish" and a "play-maker." If you don't like a passer, he's "passive."

That's the general rule I've observed. There's really no good, consistent definition of what makes some scorers who dominate the ball valuable and others selfish. It boils down to whether a particular person likes said player or not.

Minstrel at his/her best. I dont recall using someone's quote as a signature, this will be the first one.

[the microwave]