[EHL]

Originally Posted by B-Scott

You don't consider it true because im getting on Kobe. If it was Lamar it would all be true.

No, it would depend what you were talking about. Plus the fact that you're even comparing Odom to Kobe is just insulting. Or that you would create a thread saying Lamar is "at least" a top 5 MVP candidate legitimately. How do you honestly expect people to take that seriously?

You're clearly overreacting (and if you ask me, overcompenstating) by continually pimping Odom and blaming Kobe for his woes. As if Lamar Odom was this aggressive, elite scorer before he came to L.A.

Question? If Lamar is being guarded by Gionobli 6-5 , Cuttino Mobley -6-4 , Kyle Korver 6-5 do you think Kobe would recognize that mismatch ,and think to himself ,im going to feed Lamar until they double. Nope ,because he didnt do it the last 2 years.

Dude, Lamar couldn't even score more than 19 ppg against the Suns defense in last year's playoffs, where he had many more mismatches than just 6'4"/6'5" guards; like that horribly thin defensive front court of theirs. Know your history buddy; Lamar doesn't consistently attack whether he's playing with Kobe or not. Last year and the year before, Lamar's scoring average without Kobe was under 19 ppg, which is sad when you think about it because the Lakers in 05 and 06 were basically lottery teams without Kobe (see their records), so he had all the possessions he could possibly ask for and still didn't consistently attack.

The first two games this season were the first two consecutive games Lamar has gone off in I don't know how long. They were wonderful to watch. And he continued it in the 3rd game when Kobe came back. But, not surprisingly, he has disappeared since. Shocking, I know. Not like he has a history of it before coming to LA or anything.

With the exception of last years playoffs. Hopefully he plays like last years playoffs throught the season. Everytime we played the teams above,we did not take advantage of those mismatches .

Yeah, and last year's playoffs turned out great for the Lakers.

Fact is, the offense hasn't even been the Lakers' glaring weakness since Shaq left; it's been the defense. Yet you choose to talk more about the offense and Kobe. Interesting.

[Drewbs]

Originally Posted by Zero Hero

A day in the life of Lamar Odom...








"He took em... He took all the cookies..."

[B-Scott]

Originally Posted by EHL

No, it would depend what you were talking about. Plus the fact that you're even comparing Odom to Kobe is just insulting. Or that you would create a thread saying Lamar is "at least" a top 5 MVP candidate legitimately. How do you honestly expect people to take that seriously?

You're clearly overreacting (and if you ask me, overcompenstating) by continually pimping Odom and blaming Kobe for his woes. As if Lamar Odom was this aggressive, elite scorer before he came to L.A.



Dude, Lamar couldn't even score more than 19 ppg against the Suns defense in last year's playoffs, where he had many more mismatches than just 6'4"/6'5" guards; like that horribly thin defensive front court of theirs. Know your history buddy; Lamar doesn't consistently attack whether he's playing with Kobe or not. Last year and the year before, Lamar's scoring average without Kobe was under 19 ppg, which is sad when you think about it because the Lakers in 05 and 06 were basically lottery teams without Kobe (see their records), so he had all the possessions he could possibly ask for and still didn't consistently attack.

The first two games this season were the first two consecutive games Lamar has gone off in I don't know how long. They were wonderful to watch. And he continued it in the 3rd game when Kobe came back. But, not surprisingly, he has disappeared since. Shocking, I know. Not like he has a history of it before coming to LA or anything.



Yeah, and last year's playoffs turned out great for the Lakers.

Fact is, the offense hasn't even been the Lakers' glaring weakness since Shaq left; it's been the defense. Yet you choose to talk more about the offense and Kobe. Interesting.

Another Laker fan obsessed with Lamar's scoring. If he doesnt score 20 or more points ,then he disappeared. Phil jackson said he would rather Lamar average 16 points 10 rebounds and 6 assist over 20 points 5 and 5. It has more impact on the game. 2nd half of last season and the playoffs,Lamar was our best player. When he is at the top of his game ,it rubs off on his teammates. When Kobe is at the top of his game ,he does not always rub off on his teammates ,because its more individual.

You dont have to average 30 points just to be a MVP Candidate. Chauncey Billups wasnt averaging 30 points ,the middle of last season when he was a MVP candidate. He slipped off late in the season ,but at Mid-season he was a top 5 candidate. Lamar is currently averaging 20 points 8.4 rebounds and 6 assist. I think he will finish at 19 9 and 6 and Lakers will win 50 games or more. Thats a MVP candidate in my opinion.

Lakers as a team ,are also better running the offense through him. Not that he is a better scorer then Kobe ,but because we get high percentage shots on a consistent basis ,because Lamar because he is 6-10 with long arms ,can find guys cutting to the basket much easier then Kobe can when Kobe is in the post. The team just operates much better. Kobe has a habit of wasting possessions with those long 35 footers. That can be the difference between winning close games ,and always losing them.

[Vinsane]

lamar no longer averaging 20

[Drewbs]

The Lakers sure were great tonight with Kobe playing 2nd fiddle to Lamar Odom.

[B-Scott]

Bottom line is the Lakers are 1-3 since Kobe has returned. Kobe had one of his temper tantrums. He was a little aggressive last game ,Phil told him to run the offense a little more . Kobe takes that like a 10 year old kid and says ok ,i wont shoot just like 2004 when he didnt shoot against Sacremento ,and Game 7 last season.

Lamar Odom - Lakers are not using Lamar in the post like they did the last 20 games of last season. He is back to playing 30 feet away from the basket. Your not going to dribble through the pistons entire defense on a consistent basis. Lamar needs to be in the post like he was used in Miami ,and the last 20 games of last year.

Bottom line is SCOREBOARD like Jim Rome says. 1-3 with Kobe.Lamar's stats have decreased since his return. Kobe does not have the ability to have balance in his game. He is either to selfish ,or to unselfish. He can't balance it out.

[EHL]

Originally Posted by B-Scott

Another Laker fan obsessed with Lamar's scoring. If he doesnt score 20 or more points ,then he disappeared. Phil jackson said he would rather Lamar average 16 points 10 rebounds and 6 assist over 20 points 5 and 5. It has more impact on the game. 2nd half of last season and the playoffs,Lamar was our best player. When he is at the top of his game ,it rubs off on his teammates. When Kobe is at the top of his game ,he does not always rub off on his teammates ,because its more individual.

lmao. Phil Jackson and Tex Winters commented multiple times last season and even this season that Lamar needs to score more and is not aggressive enough with the ball. It's fact buddy.

You dont have to average 30 points just to be a MVP Candidate. Chauncey Billups wasnt averaging 30 points ,the middle of last season when he was a MVP candidate. He slipped off late in the season ,but at Mid-season he was a top 5 candidate. Lamar is currently averaging 20 points 8.4 rebounds and 6 assist. I think he will finish at 19 9 and 6 and Lakers will win 50 games or more. Thats a MVP candidate in my opinion.

Your opinion is bunk. In no world is 19/9/6 a legit MVP candidate unless you're the best defender in the league. Billups was not a legit candidate last season, he was riding the Pistons' historic winning streak that ended in 64 wins.

Lakers as a team ,are also better running the offense through him. Not that he is a better scorer then Kobe ,but because we get high percentage shots on a consistent basis ,because Lamar because he is 6-10 with long arms ,can find guys cutting to the basket much easier then Kobe can when Kobe is in the post. The team just operates much better. Kobe has a habit of wasting possessions with those long 35 footers. That can be the difference between winning close games ,and always losing them.

Lamar has never proven to be a good first option. This is undeniable fact, get used to it.

[EHL]

Originally Posted by B-Scott

Bottom line is the Lakers are 1-3 since Kobe has returned.

2-3. At least add the numbers correctly.

Lamar Odom - Lakers are not using Lamar in the post like they did the last 20 games of last season. He is back to playing 30 feet away from the basket. Your not going to dribble through the pistons entire defense on a consistent basis. Lamar needs to be in the post like he was used in Miami ,and the last 20 games of last year.

Lamar Odom wasn't in the post at the end of last year, you obviously don't know how to watch games. His scoring was up primarily because he was riding a ridiculously hot 3-point shooting streak.

Bottom line is SCOREBOARD like Jim Rome says. 1-3 with Kobe.Lamar's stats have decreased since his return. Kobe does not have the ability to have balance in his game. He is either to selfish ,or to unselfish. He can't balance it out.

It's not Kobe's fault Lamar is a puss. Lamar's always been a puss. Before he came to the Lakers. I know it's hard for you to accept, but the statistics and common sense from watching games bears it out. He couldn't even score 17 ppg playing next to Wade in the postseason. He's not a good scorer, certainly not a good first option scorer, and definitely should not be given the ball to distribute because every team that he has ever been asked to do that on went absolutely nowhere.

[Drewbs]

Originally Posted by B-Scott

Bottom line is the Lakers are 1-3 since Kobe has returned. Kobe had one of his temper tantrums. He was a little aggressive last game ,Phil told him to run the offense a little more . Kobe takes that like a 10 year old kid and says ok ,i wont shoot just like 2004 when he didnt shoot against Sacremento ,and Game 7 last season.

Lamar Odom - Lakers are not using Lamar in the post like they did the last 20 games of last season. He is back to playing 30 feet away from the basket. Your not going to dribble through the pistons entire defense on a consistent basis. Lamar needs to be in the post like he was used in Miami ,and the last 20 games of last year.

You want to know why? Because agianst an actual post defense, Lamar Odom's play in the post is highly limited. He can abuse undersized forwards like Shawn Marion or whatever poor excuse of a big mant hey threw out at him in the east back when he was in Miami. But when a defender hwo can actual guard playters down low is on him, he can't score at will. Its amazing that you can't see this.

Its Kobe's fault that they're 1-3? What are you saying? That Kobe should've been more aggressive tongiht? I thought he needed to facilitate Lamar Odom more. Kobe's aggressiveness is never a problem, in general the Lakers offense has never been hte problem, the problem with the Lakrs is their inability to defend any team in the league. Kobe can't guard anyone right now, Smush is constantly getting lost and Odom has never been a good defensive player, the interior may as well not be there. Maybe you should address that issue with the Lakers before berating Bryant for how he affects the team's offense.