ok, just a little background information about me.. I have on this board for about a year a half... i used to be LebronDarkoAmareYao .. but now im Jwill55gRizZ...
ok on to my topic
Who is the better point Guard Jason Williams or Mike Bibby..
i argue that Jason Williams is.. Mike bibby with the players he has on his team, peja, webber, jackson, christie, vlade, hedo, clark, and various other offensive threats... shouldn't this guy be getting near 10 assists.. at least 8.... thats just 2 a quarter...
seriously.... he played well in the lakers series last year.. and the reason was because him and vlade and cwebb would set picks and rolls (who ever shaq was guarding).. and Shaq would not come out to hedge and recover; consequently, bibby got OPEN jumpers the WHOLE SERIES.. he hit them.. and much respect for him to do that.. but i think that he does not warrant a max contract..
Jason Williams was arguably the most improved player this year.. he changed his style of play under Hubie Brown.. and i think, possibly because he is in Memphis a developing franchise that does not have the luxury of being on nationally televised games, he is the most under rated point guard in the nba. Take away the pot throughout college, and his notorious turnover prone plays in the heat of the playoffs as a rookie, sophmore, etc...., and his arrant three point attempts in transition..
look at his positives..
- best ballhandling, arguably, in the nba
- some of the best court visiion in the nba
- improving dramatically defensively
- mean streak not seen in recent years under hubie brown
- more controlled
- improved shooting
-2nd in the nba in assists
- 2nd (behind i think alvin williams) in Assists to turnover ratio
- 3 point threat consistently (has range too..)
- suddenly coachable..
We all, i think, believed that he is one of the most talented players in the nba at the point guard position, however, he was arrant, not dependable in crunch time, turnover prone, and not coachable.....
he is now great in crunch time, is the second best player in the nba at assist to turnover ratio, has got rid of the constant 3's outside the offensive game plan, and now is coachable..
I ask you my friends, is Jason Williams better than Mike Bibby. How high would you rank jason williams..?
Last edited by Jwill55gRizZ : 06-08-2003 at 03:32 PM.
Originally posted by <b>Jwill55gRizZ</b>!
to moderators: could you please change the name of this thread to "Is Jason Williams better than Mike Bibby" sorry for the confusion...
Done. Now to your post. It is a good post and brings to light all of the positives and the past negatives about Jason.
Arguably, he is the best point guard at skills and ballhandling, etc. But is he finally becoming a real playmaker? I saw great growth this season from him - due to hubie, no doubt. I think he can be the top point in a couple years - <b> IF, and only IF </b> he continues to learn and improve his playmaking abilities - under Hubie(one of the best if not the best "teacher" type coaches).
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Jason Williams is better than Bibby IMO. Williams still shoots too many threes, but he showed tons of improvement. He averaged 12 PPG/10 APG in the month of March. Bibby doesn't get as many assists as Williams because he has other passers with him (Jackson, Christie). I like Bibby more, but Jason played better last year, and will most likely keep improving with Hubie.
at this point i think so. i was always fond of White Chocolate during his Sac days. i was always razzled by his passing skills as well as his breakdown maneuvers.
but the difference between Bibby and JWill is that one is more offensive minded, while the other is more pass minded.
I'm just glad Jason is done taking all those unnecessary 3's.
im sorry, im still not sold on his defense. but he has improved greatly. i really dont think you can judge a player on his skills alone, but how much better he makes his team while playing. and i think bibby takes that one.
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Haha, 4 HOFers and you guys still couldn't win.
i dont know if we can say that Bibby makes them dramatically better.. considering Bobby Jackson was putting up 22,6,3 in his absense at the beginning of the year.....if we are talking about players making their teammates better we think the category of assists.. Williams, a true point guard, in the sense that he thinks pass first- shoot second, is always looking to playmake.. bibby is much more offensively minded ...but i think that the kings players need a play maker to get all these great players the ball...
Jason williams had more assists then bibby despite having a weaker squad.... a team able to grab the #2 in the lottery (who they give to Detroit).
the kings were crowned kings before the season began... everyone saying "the kings championship is theirs to lose" with the recent acquisition of athletic big man Keon Clark, and smooth shooter Jim Jackson the kings were expected to win this year.. and despite the injuries throughout the year bibby was unable to elevate a championship caliber team to a championship....
yes, but the kings are predominately a offensive team. i think at the beginning of jwill's career, he was looking to oooh and ahhhhh the crowd. hubie brown has brought him back to earth and maybe in the long run, with the right direction, jwill will be better that bibby.
and now that you bring that up about the kings, bibby was unable to carry them. but i dot think thats his job. although i hinted at that, i think thats cwebb's job.
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Haha, 4 HOFers and you guys still couldn't win.
with a max contract, a point guard that people last year were saying that he was a top 3 point guard.. some even said he top 2.. i was like uhh.. ok we will see this year.. and after the max contract... he was sub-par at best... an off-year or not, he chose the worst time to go into that mode.. you should lead your team if your getting all these accolades.. especially if your team is the favourite in the series and in the playoffs.. thats just my opinion though..
Originally posted by <b>Jwill55gRizZ</b>!
with a max contract, a point guard that people last year were saying that he was a top 3 point guard.. some even said he top 2.. i was like uhh.. ok we will see this year.. and after the max contract... he was sub-par at best... an off-year or not, he chose the worst time to go into that mode.. you should lead your team if your getting all these accolades.. especially if your team is the favourite in the series and in the playoffs.. thats just my opinion though..
and you are correct. but i think with him being hurt, it threw him off a little.
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Haha, 4 HOFers and you guys still couldn't win.
I think you can legimately argue that Williams is a better individual player than Bibby (though I would disagree - Williams' flaws are killers in the playoffs, while you can live with Bibby's).
However, there's not arguing that the Kings are certainly a better team with Bibby. Jason Williams was traded because he constantly came up empty in the playoffs - culminating in an embarrasing sweep against the Lakers where he shot 29% from the field, had 13 turnovers and just 11 assists, and was completely dominated by Derek Fisher. The Kings lost 3 of the 4 games by an average of 5 points - if J-Will would have just shown up at his regular season averages they could have taken 2 of the first 4 games or at least avoided the humiliation of a sweep. Next season, the Kings (without Peja) went 7 with the same Laker team once Bibby was installed. Give the Kings Bibby in 00-01 and (with a healthy Peja) they very well could have beaten the Lakers. With J-Will - out in 4.
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all those things were before hubie brown... at this point in both there players respective careers jason williams is the better player in my opinion as stated earlier.. bibby lacks the killer instinct of williams.. bibby other than in the lakers series where he got open shots due to shaqs failure to hedge the ball handler (bibby) and recover to his player (webber or divac)..
Just like I told everyone a year ago. They are different types of PGs. They are about equal in talent. The difference is neither is worth $10 million+ a year. That is why the Grizz dealt for J Will. They get an equal talent for 1/2 the price of what Bibby was going to want. To bad the Kings got suckered and are tip toeing on the lottery abyss the Grizz are currently in right now.
Ask Seattle how 1 bad contract(McIllvaine) can destroy a championship contender. You think Bobby Jackson is going to play for the Kings at 1/2 of Bibby's price? Hedo?
And I remeber King's fans calling me crazy when I suggested they deal Bibby for Marbury because Marbury was a true MAX player capable of carrying a team in the playoffs.
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