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09-28-2007, 05:10 AM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
HB, it's none of my business. He may feel anyway he likes about that.  If both the team and the player make an agreement to part, agent won't do a thing.
Even if AK leaves Utah, he still will be looking for a job in NBA. That means the agent will be able to find him a new team and get some money for that. Financially, that will mean some salary drop both for the player and the agent, but nothing too serious. I think, AK will easily find a team for half a money Utah pays him now (for about 6-7 mln/year).
BTW, I think, the best way to handle the situation for everyone would be some sort of sign-and-trade. Andrey could amend his contract, take a salary cut along with a trade. That would allow the Jazz to get something valuable in return and him to find a new team. The new club would get a decent player for reasonable money (the price is a subject to be discussed).
PS. Williams is a punk. All he did in the league now is one decent season. And now he starts to make that kind of statements in the press. That's sick. He's just a promising young guy with a huge ego, noone else yet.
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09-28-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
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I'm quite surprised with all that talks about AK's contract. The guy himself said he doesn't want to get that money for nothing. So, if Utah considers him to be a garbageman, all they have to do is to agree to rip his contract. After that, Andrey will be gone and Williams happy. The Jazz will be free to sign any player to fill AK in for a veteran's minimum. If they find one, of course.
The proposal made by Kirilenko is direct and fair. If his service doesn't cost that much (63M), the team is free to let him go. If Utah agrees to pay, then it should stop crying about the contract. Now it's up to Utah do decide. If they choose to keep him, they should shut up those money talks forever.
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That also hurts Utah in the way that they can't get a decent value in return in form of a trade. That's just like giving up without even trying.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad option, but I'm sure they want to see what they can get for him as a first priority.
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09-28-2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
Camby actually does get a fair share of plays ran for him (which usually amounts to an elbow jumper) but that works to the detriment of the offense. I see the same thing with Kirilenko. I'd rather him pass than try to score. I'm not sure where this idea of him being a good scorer came from. He isn't much of a shooter, isn't strong, and can't break decent defenders down off the dribble. He's a multi-tool player that can have a huge impact on defense while helping a little of offense. Should he get shots over Williams, Boozer? Okur? Even Harping? I say no. Play D, stay out of the way on offense, and stop whining. You really aren't that good.
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09-28-2007, 08:51 PM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
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Camby actually does get a fair share of plays ran for him (which usually amounts to an elbow jumper) but that works to the detriment of the offense. I see the same thing with Kirilenko. I'd rather him pass than try to score. I'm not sure where this idea of him being a good scorer came from. He isn't much of a shooter, isn't strong, and can't break decent defenders down off the dribble. He's a multi-tool player that can have a huge impact on defense while helping a little of offense. Should he get shots over Williams, Boozer? Okur? Even Harping? I say no. Play D, stay out of the way on offense, and stop whining. You really aren't that good.
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Honestly I don't think he really meant more shots he wants more touches. He is a good passer and should be used in a diaw-like role on offense, as a shortstop or middle man to get good angles and set up easy baskets. If they can't find a way to use his strengths and keep him interested, they should let him go or trade him no use keeping him in limbo like this.
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09-29-2007, 01:10 AM
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Honestly I don't think he really meant more shots he wants more touches. He is a good passer and should be used in a diaw-like role on offense, as a shortstop or middle man to get good angles and set up easy baskets. If they can't find a way to use his strengths and keep him interested, they should let him go or trade him no use keeping him in limbo like this.
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Keeping him in limbo? Dude sucked last year. And what has he done to warrant these demands on offense? Williams does just fine setting the offense up himself. What the Jazz need is a legitimate threat from the wing, not a wannabe playmaker. I wouldn't give Kirilenko more touches: it could translate to more shots, which isn't worth the risk.
People continue to overrate this guy and I don't know why. In my eyes, he's barely a third option in the league. Good passer, good all-around skills. Offensive threat? Meh.
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09-29-2007, 08:06 AM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
I agree with Rodney on AK47's offense or lack of
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09-30-2007, 03:30 AM
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Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad option, but I'm sure they want to see what they can get for him as a first priority.
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Sure, that's what they're gonna do. For the team, it's way much better to trade AK for some value than just loose him. I could even imagine a situation when Utah would start the season with AK, give him minutes and touches in starting games, let him prove himself in the league again and raise his trading value. If he could do that (play consistently, stay motivated and gain numbers) and agree to a salary cut, the tarde wouldn't be a hard thing to arrange.
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09-30-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: Deron Rips AK47's Work Ethic
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Originally Posted by AlexeyBK
Sure, that's what they're gonna do. For the team, it's way much better to trade AK for some value than just loose him. I could even imagine a situation when Utah would start the season with AK, give him minutes and touches in starting games, let him prove himself in the league again and raise his trading value. If he could do that (play consistently, stay motivated and gain numbers) and agree to a salary cut, the tarde wouldn't be a hard thing to arrange.
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That's a lot of IFs. Sloan isn't going to give him more touches because Williams already said that he doesn't want to pass to AK. The league already knows how good he is but is just stuck as the 4th option in a two man system. Offense begets defense. Most players don't play as well when they don't have offense going. It's a confidence thing. Kirilenko is no different. He's also only 25 meaning that he may have a solid 10 years in this league left to play. I think many teams would take a gamble on him seeing as he has a lot of career left and it's only a few seasons of contract that he has left. Three seasons is a perfect amount to test whether he is a legitamate star or not.
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