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Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

That was a bad call. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that. He got that call from credibility. That was the first time I'd ever seen him take a dive on a spin move. His foot got close to LMA, so I'm assuming the refs didn't see it clearly and assumed he got tangled up with LMA. So why do you make that call instead of a no call? Probably because of what Wade had done the past couple of plays before that, scoring at will. Wade gets those calls when he's on a scoring roll. Most stars do. Wade doesn't get them when he doesn't have momentum. But if it's the 4th quarter, with like 3 minutes left, and Wade's leading a Heat comeback, scoring their last 6 points, then he'll probably get that call. As would a few others in the league IMO.

whoa whoa whoa...


just trying to inject some humor...no need to get all defensive...sounds like you're trying to convince yourself...


it's all good man...

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

4 extra steps doesn't mean he took 4 steps. It means he took 6 steps total. Which video did that happen in again?

Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

If you believe he lifted his pivot there (which he did IMO), that was 4 steps total before a dribble (which was on the far side of the video), not 6 or 7. Deceiving video, as Wade just came off a screen and caught the ball, but that wasn't shown and it cut off the second he dribbled again, making it look like more steps than it was. Bad noncall? Yes. But nothing I haven't seen other players get. But it's perfectly fine to act as if Wade is the player player to have ever benefitted from the no call.

EDIT: I'm actually leaning towards 3, because it appeared that he had jumped up to catch the ball and he was just coming down. But that was cut out of the video (with good reason).

Double EDIT: Naw. Looks like 4.

So you're agreeing with the original point that Wade took at least 4 steps there. Thank you for arguing and getting proven wrong.

Nobody said Wade is the only person to get away with it and frankly it's pretty embarrassing for you to claim that's the opinion of anyone. The point is he gets away with it a lot more than anybody else.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

4 extra steps doesn't mean he took 4 steps. It means he took 6 steps total. Which video did that happen in again?

Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

If you believe he lifted his pivot there (which he did IMO), that was 4 steps total before a dribble (which was on the far side of the video), not 6 or 7. Deceiving video, as Wade just came off a screen and caught the ball, but that wasn't shown and it cut off the second he dribbled again, making it look like more steps than it was. Bad noncall? Yes. But nothing I haven't seen other players get. But it's perfectly fine to act as if Wade is the player player to have ever benefitted from the no call.

EDIT: I'm actually leaning towards 3, because it appeared that he had jumped up to catch the ball and he was just coming down. But that was cut out of the video (with good reason).

Double EDIT: Naw. Looks like 4.

So you're agreeing with the original point that Wade took at least 4 steps there. Thank you for arguing yourself right into what most of us here already knew.

Nobody said Wade is the only person to get away with it and frankly it's pretty embarrassing for you to claim that's the opinion of anyone. The point is he gets away with it a lot more than anybody else.

[Flash is the Future]

Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it. We don't know whether he was in the air or not (video doesn't show it) when he caught it, but it doesn't matter. Count 1.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously. Count two. Wade has now come to a stop. And must establish a pivot foot.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot. The rear foot was his right foot. He kept that one down in the video, even though he picked up his left foot. The angle of the video makes it seem that his left foot was the rear one, but you have to keep the frame of reference in mind, and the right followed the left foot on that play, making it the rear foot. Wade then picked up the left foot, while keeping the right foot down.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor. This one's the controversial part. Wade has not traveled yet. In order to not travel, he must release the ball before he picks up his pivot foot. Does that happen here? I can't tell, as the video is from the wrong angle. Even if he didn't, that would qualify as the extra half a step most NBA referees let go.

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Wade just has really good footwork, so much so that he appears to travel sometimes, even when it's fair game according to the rules of the NBA (which are more lenient than HS and College rules). Learn something new every day.

[Flash is the Future]

Originally Posted by Blazed

So you're agreeing with the original point that Wade took at least 4 steps there. Thank you for arguing and getting proven wrong.

Nobody said Wade is the only person to get away with it and frankly it's pretty embarrassing for you to claim that's the opinion of anyone. The point is he gets away with it a lot more than anybody else.

I did agree it was 4. And then I looked up the rule and found that it was no more than 2 and a half steps. Good thing too. I happened to be wrong. I'll admit it.

[Blazed]

You're wrong. Wade caught the ball, took three large steps, faked a shot, shuffled his feet faking to the right (taking at least 3 steps although it's probably 4 steps) than takes one step to the left and dribbles the ball. That's six or seven total steps before putting the ball on the ground.

Keep arguing, it just so happens that the large majority of people think you're wrong.

[Blazed]

Lets see, we have the majority of this forum's community saying it was a travel, the majority of the YouTube community saying it was a travel, and hell just about every announcer says it's a travel. But they're all wrong, just ask Flash is the Future.

[Flash is the Future]

Originally Posted by Blazed

You're wrong. Wade caught the ball, took three large steps, faked a shot, shuffled his feet faking to the right (taking at least 3 steps although it's probably 4 steps) than takes one step to the left and dribbles the ball. That's six or seven total steps before putting the ball on the ground.

Keep arguing, it just so happens that the large majority of people think you're wrong.

I'd never read the official rules before. I read them, and interpreted them. That's just what I saw. I could be wrong, but I think what I just wrote out makes sense, if you watch the video step by step.

Actually, the part I'd question is which foot is the rear foot. That seems ambiguous to me (posibly intentionally ambiguous). Is it the foot that arrives at the spot last or the foot that winds up behind his path to the spot? It would seem that both interpretations have their merits.