Reply

Old 12-12-2007, 08:10 AM   #121 (permalink)
The KiBosh
Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 52
Credits: 10.00
Rep Power: 2 The KiBosh is on a distinguished road
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

I'm not trying to knock Horford. I watched him in college and he's a class act and this foul was clearly unintentional. However... It was a careless foul. Most NBA players would of simply extended after TJ changed directions and just tried to contest the ball instead of a full forced swat. I know it was a split second decision but pro athlete's make similar decisions DAILY and almost all choose the right one. The difference between choosing to contest shots the right way and the wrong was is the difference between a league full of healthy stars and a hospital full of millionaires.

On a side note... Al went to the hospital last night to see TJ and apologize to him. Like I said. Horford is a class act.
The KiBosh is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 12-12-2007, 08:12 AM   #122 (permalink)
essbee
All-Star
 
essbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6,735
Credits: 39,352.43
Rep Power: 8949293 essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Not a dirty play by Horford but an incredibly clumsy one. If you miss the ball by 3 feet on a block attempt you need to be a little more coordinated or not swing so damn hard.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by compsciguy78 View Post
Why are all these athletic black guys making the NBA who don't care about winning and have no brains?
Quote:
Originally Posted by One on One
It's funny how I bet a lot of people here would say Bogut should keep his mouth shut, but when Cam'ron is saying he wouldn't snitch on a serial killer, those same people are giving him props.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VCofMontreal View Post
Okafor and other chain collectors belong in the zoo!
essbee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 08:12 AM   #123 (permalink)
DQ for 3
Gone...Not Forgotten #30
 
DQ for 3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: South Carolina
Age: 24
Posts: 24,412
Credits: 71,820.97
Rep Power: 3118205 DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute DQ for 3 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by R-Star View Post
Just trying to figure out what you were getting at. I played ball in highschool and junior high. Played pick up games for a few years after but havent played much the last 3 years. Anyways, the play did not seem like a regular play to me. If you dont have a clean swipe at the ball, you dont swing full tilt at a guys head and hope for the best. Hell, if you dont do that in the joke leagues I've played in, you dont do it in the NBA.

Im not sure if you were for or against the people criticising Horford. Thats why I had asked.
I'm defending Horford 100%.

Ford knew that if he took the ball up on the right side of the rim, odds are that Al was going to block it. So, he tried to use the rim as a shield to get a shot on the opposite side of the rim. Al had already started to make the play on the right side, when TJ reversed, Al had to make a desperate swipe/block to try and either block or deter his shot. Did he intentionally try to hit him in the head/face and knock him out of the game? No - but Horford is defending his rim trying to either 1) block or 2) send Ford to the line to earn the 2 points. That's basketball from Jr. High to the NBA.
__________________
DQ for 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 08:39 AM   #124 (permalink)
HKF
You blew my cova!
 
HKF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 27
Posts: 36,829
Credits: 37,637.86
Rep Power: 8687402 HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute HKF has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

I don't see anything wrong with this play, I see Ford as being someone who is injury prone and small. These are the risks when he came back to play.
__________________
My favorite NBA players: Kobe Bryant * Carmelo Anthony * Ben Gordon * Deron Williams * Joe Johnson * Kevin Martin * Tim Duncan * Kyle Lowry * Thad Young * Amare Stoudemire * Dwight Howard * Josh Smith * Brandon Roy * LaMarcus Aldridge * Rudy Gay * Al Horford * Brandan Wright * Craig Smith * Renaldo Balkman

2008-09 Favorite Rookies: Jerryd Bayless (POR), Roy Hibbert (IND), Greg Oden (POR), Jamont Gordon (undrafted), Chris Douglas-Roberts (NJN), Joe Alexander (MIL), Patrick Ewing, Jr. (SAC)

College Basketball: "Where 7-Foot Bigs Foul Out Happen"
HKF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 08:56 AM   #125 (permalink)
IceMan23and3
New and Improved
 
IceMan23and3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: 602
Posts: 8,047
Credits: 82,911.84
Rep Power: 11132884 IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute IceMan23and3 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by HKF View Post
I don't see anything wrong with this play, I see Ford as being someone who is injury prone and small. These are the risks when he came back to play.
Other than that giant paw hitting nothing but the top of the head? He had no chance of making a play on that and did something stupid which may potentially end Ford's career. On the scale of dirty, it's pretty low. But on the scale of dangerous plays, its up there.

EDIT: It's clearly a frustration foul at 1:32 left in the game and the Raptors owning an 8 point lead after a stupid turnover by Atlanta, which eliminated their slim chance of winning that game.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Majerle
I’ve obviously never coached before
Quote:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain....
IceMan23and3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 09:00 AM   #126 (permalink)
R-Star
My Life Is Awesome
 
R-Star's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Edmonton
Age: 25
Posts: 15,896
Credits: 60,180.52
Rep Power: 15159722 R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by The KiBosh View Post
I'm not trying to knock Horford. I watched him in college and he's a class act and this foul was clearly unintentional. However... It was a careless foul. Most NBA players would of simply extended after TJ changed directions and just tried to contest the ball instead of a full forced swat. I know it was a split second decision but pro athlete's make similar decisions DAILY and almost all choose the right one. The difference between choosing to contest shots the right way and the wrong was is the difference between a league full of healthy stars and a hospital full of millionaires.

On a side note... Al went to the hospital last night to see TJ and apologize to him. Like I said. Horford is a class act.

Good to hear he went to the hospital. I havent seen much yet on Fords condition, hope hes ok. Theres lots of guys out there who would just say it was unintentional and it was an accident, but its nice to see a guy going to the hospital to see if the guys alright, and apologize.
R-Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 09:02 AM   #127 (permalink)
R-Star
My Life Is Awesome
 
R-Star's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Edmonton
Age: 25
Posts: 15,896
Credits: 60,180.52
Rep Power: 15159722 R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute R-Star has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_Diesel View Post
I'm defending Horford 100%.

Ford knew that if he took the ball up on the right side of the rim, odds are that Al was going to block it. So, he tried to use the rim as a shield to get a shot on the opposite side of the rim. Al had already started to make the play on the right side, when TJ reversed, Al had to make a desperate swipe/block to try and either block or deter his shot. Did he intentionally try to hit him in the head/face and knock him out of the game? No - but Horford is defending his rim trying to either 1) block or 2) send Ford to the line to earn the 2 points. That's basketball from Jr. High to the NBA.
What Jr High ball are you pretending you played where guys heads are close to the rim and guys have a couple seconds in the air to twist around and decide if they should throw a block or not?

Also, do you not think Horford should have got ejected?
R-Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 09:38 AM   #128 (permalink)
BDB
immortal
 
BDB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: in denial
Posts: 1,383
Credits: 18,662.47
Rep Power: 229477 BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute BDB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by HKF View Post
I don't see anything wrong with this play, I see Ford as being someone who is injury prone and small. These are the risks when he came back to play.
Exactly. Ford should know better he's too small to be slowing down for contact.
If there was only a minute left why was he trying to draw the foul?

Hortford even said he was caught off guard by Ford going reverse.
It's not like college players use the that move.
BDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 09:42 AM   #129 (permalink)
DuMa
All-Star
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 7,406
Credits: 23,320.38
Rep Power: 4001534 DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute DuMa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Horford should definitely be suspended. Horford didnt intend for Ford to get hurt. however he did intend to create a hard foul to prevent the basket, in which he did not go for the ball. he was clearly trying to foul and send the man to the line. the manner he did in in. hitting the face, and following through was very unbasketball like.

again easily couldve been avoided but for some reason horford felt he had to follow through.

clumsy or not, you have to be punished for your actions on the basketball court. he made a very crucial mistake.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDIZZ
yes my dad went to go get ice cream sandwiches because we all got hungry for it when we saw the brick sign and im like that looks like an ice cream sandwich more then a brick and they got hungry so now ima get me some samiches.
DuMa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2007, 09:42 AM   #130 (permalink)
essbee
All-Star
 
essbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6,735
Credits: 39,352.43
Rep Power: 8949293 essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute essbee has a reputation beyond repute
Re: TJ Ford with another neck injury

Quote:
Originally Posted by HKF View Post
I don't see anything wrong with this play, I see Ford as being someone who is injury prone and small. These are the risks when he came back to play.

So you think Horford was reasonably close to making a block?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by compsciguy78 View Post
Why are all these athletic black guys making the NBA who don't care about winning and have no brains?
Quote:
Originally Posted by One on One
It's funny how I bet a lot of people here would say Bogut should keep his mouth shut, but when Cam'ron is saying he wouldn't snitch on a serial killer, those same people are giving him props.