[sherako]

Tragedy and afobisme summed it up the best.

[Prolific Scorer]

LOL@How people "flip the script" on these boards so quickly, always ready to jump on the new kid on the block's coat tails.

Dude has been nothing short of greatness ever since he's been in the league.There are too many variables involved this season to judge D-Wade.

[MB30]

Originally Posted by Nightmute

I have no reason to object to your preference for Wade, but the reason of being less selfish is not reason enough. When a loss is eminent Kobe takes the game over, he scores until he knows that the victory is his. It's his competitive spirit, his killer instinct, or whatever one wishes to call it; Kobe wont go home losing to an inferior or even superior team thinking well at least I got everyone involved. Passing to teammates who can't hit the broadside of a barn isn't going to win basketball games, as Wade has clearly demonstrated this season. Now if you want to compare basketball talents to demonstrate why Wade is the better basketball player be my guest, but don't use a vague and incredibly abstract concept such as being less selfish. Especially using it as the sole reason to justify the superiority of one player to another.

I did give more reason rather then just saying 'hes less selfish', but ill give u a few more. You talk about Kobe's ability to nail it down in the 4th quarter, and get the hoop when its needed. Wade has the same abilities. Hes hit many clutch jumper, clutch free throws, hell even clutch steals. The 4th quarter at Heat games has always been known as Dwyane Wade time. This year, hes struggling a bit, but hes still capable of bursting out of this mini-slump at any minute.

Hes so explosive going to the hoop, and the fact that he may be undersized (6'4") is irrelevant because he plays much bigger than he is. He scores more in the paint than just about any guard (Tony Parker might be close) and is absolutely a load for opposing guards to handle when he posts up on the block.

While he still has a ways to go with the long ball, but his jump shot is practically money. You cant give him space anymore, because he will rise and shoot over u - and more often then not, he'll nail it. Its really become a go to weapon for him.

He's the master of drawing fouls. Hes like Allen Iverson in that regard. He goes to the line about 10-12 times a game, which has to be close to tops in the league. He has a series of up-fakes and jukes he uses to get his man in the air, and i admire his ability to take the contact and finish so often.

As a Heat fan, I know im biased to take Wade over Kobe. Some may disagree, but when hes on his game - hes about as hard as anyone to stop in this league. The fact that he wont score 80 in a game is irrelevant. He doesnt need to score 80 - he can go for 30/5/9 with regularity...and any other year thats more then enough to secure a win (not this year however..)

I think hes a very underrated passer. He does some terrific lobs to Shaq, as well as always finding the open man. He's unselfish and a willing passer, its not a last option for him. He doesnt often force his offense, he waits till the game has settled down from the opening tip and wont start firing till half way through the quarter. At some point in the game, u know hes gonna get on a roll...its just how it is. I think this season can be compared to Kobe's 04-05 season with the Lakers, first year after Shaq. Kobe averaged 4.09 turnovers that year, and Wade is having more trouble adjusting to the less talent thats around him.

To me - he sort of combines a lot of the best attributes of many star guards in this league. Iversons toughness, Kobe's competitveness and 4th quarter ability, Carter's athleticism and TMac's passing ability...with his own flair and game.

He may not be at his best this year, but the best is yet to come - Hes got many top years left if the injuries stay away.

[blh5387]

Originally Posted by BDB

Que? Miami has the worst record in th east if they had Kobe they'd have a few more wins.

Dude, that argument is BS just for the simple fact that Wade is coming fresh off of 2 MAJOR surgeries. So you may want to recant your argument. Also, as for your argument for Wade not putting up 81 points: Anyone who has a true understanding and appreciation for the game of basketball knows that it scoring a ton of points in a game really doesn't matter that much, unless the team gets a win. Yeah, the Lakers won, but did Kobe ever convincingly lead the Lakers to the promised land? No. It was mostly Shaq leading the way. It was the opposite with Shaq and Wade. Now, I believe Kobe and Wade are on the same plane. I scoff when someone says Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>> Wade, just as I scoff when someone says Wade >>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe. They're just too similar, talentwise, to be put highly above the other. Just my 2 cents.

[MB30]

I agree. Thats why I said in my earlier post its an either/or preferance. Wade is my preferred player.

[afobisme]

im not sure how long dwyane can last.

im not hating or anything, but the guy relies on speed more than kobe or lebron do. kobe's known for his skill level, lebron for his sheer power, and wade for his speed...

speed fades the most with age. power and skill usually don't deteriorate as fast.

dwyane is also 6'5 (if even), so he's kind of small. oh and he gets pounded pretty often.

[NewAgeBaller]

Originally Posted by andalusian

Roy was a rookie last year and the team's offense was built around Zach Randolph. I imagine that their success when Randolph was out of the line is what lead to his trade at what seemed like 30 cents on the dollar - of course, if you compare NY and Portland this year, it seems as if the Portland management and coaching staff knew what they were doing.

The only time Roy had a chance to lead a NBA team was this year, and their current record is not too shabby for such a young team.

Having said that, I am pretty sure that I mentioned in this thread that I like Wade a lot and can not really point any fingers at him given his health and his supporting cast.

I'm not blaming the losing season on Roy, I'm just throwing out an example to show how ridiculous he sounded. Him being a Blazers fan, I thought he'd see how stupid it sounded if it were about the star of his own team.
There's so many variables with the Heat that you can't blame anything on one player, but particularly Wade of all people.

Originally Posted by afobisme

dwyane is also 6'5 (if even), so he's kind of small. oh and he gets pounded pretty often.

I think he's 6'4".

And I agree, Wade's not as good as Lebron, but almost as good as Kobe (very close, Kobe's probably just the better player but many would take Wade by preference).

[jokeaward]

They need a win and let him rest more until the ASB, then maybe after that.

[Sliccat]

To be fair, this heat team isn't even decent. What's great though, they could win the lottery.